Was Gallery worth the Pick?

[TheMausoleum]

Originally Posted by RaiderOfTheSith

http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles/robert_gallery
Compare the numerous positives with the few negatives

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/foo...ers/43649.html
This sums it up (emphasis added):

Pre-draft profiles are worthless at this point.

Back to reality
(8th worst Pass protection with 42 sacks now)

I know it's a bit old but Read the article, their words not mine.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...PG5SGD4LT1.DTL

Right tackle Robert Gallery, a guy the Raiders handed a $14 million signing bonus in 2004, has regressed and doesn't play with much emotion.

All told, this group has surrendered 38 sacks. Even with Jordan gaining 1,025 rushing yards this season, the Raiders' rushing offense is ranked 29th in the NFL.

Big Ben is over-hyped ... but any of the 4 star defensive players we passed on would help greatly or even drafting Fitz would have saved us running out and getting Moss. But now we are right back where we started.

[LA Raider Fan]

Originally Posted by TheMausoleum

Pre-draft profiles are worthless at this point.

Back to reality
(8th worst Pass protection with 42 sacks now)

I know it's a bit old but Read the article, their words not mine.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...PG5SGD4LT1.DTL



Big Ben is over-hyped ... but any of the 4 star defensive players we passed on would help greatly or even drafting Fitz would have saved us running out and getting Moss. But now we are right back where we started.

Love your Sig,bringing back great memories at the L.A. Coliseum.

[FarmGirl]

Originally Posted by TheMausoleum

Pre-draft profiles are worthless at this point.

Back to reality
(8th worst Pass protection with 42 sacks now)

I know it's a bit old but Read the article, their words not mine.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...PG5SGD4LT1.DTL



Big Ben is over-hyped ... but any of the 4 star defensive players we passed on would help greatly or even drafting Fitz would have saved us running out and getting Moss. But now we are right back where we started.

I think the key words there are "as a group" .... Robert Gallery has not given up 42 sacks alone - it's a group effort.

I have yet to hear one Gallery detractor offer up a good alternative to giving the guy a year or two to mature. Cut him?? Great, but we just lost a load of cash. Bench him?? Sure, but then you've got a ton of money wasting away on the bench. Draft another LT/RT?? Sure, but can you GUARANTEE anyone else will come in and do a better job?

[MasterShake2388]

Just think about how bad our O-line would be if we didnt have Gallery

[RaiderOfTheSith]

Originally Posted by TheMausoleum

Pre-draft profiles are worthless at this point.

Back to reality
(8th worst Pass protection with 42 sacks now)

I know it's a bit old but Read the article, their words not mine.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...PG5SGD4LT1.DTL



Big Ben is over-hyped ... but any of the 4 star defensive players we passed on would help greatly or even drafting Fitz would have saved us running out and getting Moss. But now we are right back where we started.

Not for the argument. The argument was that Gallery was a foolish pick - with the information available at the time, I was showing that it was not a foolish pick. Many people had him at the #1 spot (teams that didn't need a QB). Also, the profiles state that he will grow into the job. A majority of OLmen dont even see the field on a regular basis for 3-4 years and Gallery is out there.

As for whether he is a bust - I disagree. He started out with several penalties, but that has tapered off. If you look at other linemen's careers (Ogden, Pace, Kennedy), Gallery is on par with them at the same stages.

As for 8th worst pass protection, no doubt the line needs changes, but very few of those sacks came from Gallery (most from left side ala Sims). Gallery plays stronger as the year goes on. Also, when you draft you must also develop the player and that means time. Jax did not take time to develop Clark, we did. Examples can be found around the league where teams declared someone a bust only to find out that they needed proper development.

You arguing hypotheticals that cant be proven or disproven - it would be just as easy for 3-4 defensive players that we could have gotten to come here and tore and ACL in camp or is ineffective in the system or non-responsive to the coaches. The "crystal ball" sees many paths that could have happened - some good, some bad, all irrelevant.

[Jimi18]

Originally Posted by RaiderOfTheSith

Not for the argument. The argument was that Gallery was a foolish pick - with the information available at the time, I was showing that it was not a foolish pick. Many people had him at the #1 spot (teams that didn't need a QB). Also, the profiles state that he will grow into the job. A majority of OLmen dont even see the field on a regular basis for 3-4 years and Gallery is out there.

As for whether he is a bust - I disagree. He started out with several penalties, but that has tapered off. If you look at other linemen's careers (Ogden, Pace, Kennedy), Gallery is on par with them at the same stages.

As for 8th worst pass protection, no doubt the line needs changes, but very few of those sacks came from Gallery (most from left side ala Sims). Gallery plays stronger as the year goes on. Also, when you draft you must also develop the player and that means time. Jax did not take time to develop Clark, we did. Examples can be found around the league where teams declared someone a bust only to find out that they needed proper development.

You arguing hypotheticals that cant be proven or disproven - it would be just as easy for 3-4 defensive players that we could have gotten to come here and tore and ACL in camp or is ineffective in the system or non-responsive to the coaches. The "crystal ball" sees many paths that could have happened - some good, some bad, all irrelevant.

You tell him bro....
Yea so I am from Iowa, But I like the Cyclones better, so If Gallery came fro the Hawks or not, don't pertain to me...

Like R.o.t.s. said, those can't be proven or disproven... I see gallery hussle down field all the time blocking for rbs.. he is always on top of his guy, unless the QB rolls right into them, (which Tui. and collins have done)
so he has had a few false starts, but who has'nt???

should we have gotten him but not in the 1st round??? he would not had been there.. Hot commodity...
I still chose him over any of those players, cause of outr needs at the time...

[ccRaider]

cause of our needs at the time...

That's exactly the reason we took him. We THOUGHT we were set at other positions, and the line needed an upgrade. Even in hindsight, I still think it was a good pick.

[Clubber Lang]

I didnt like the pick then...and I still dont like the pick now...it's time to stop making excuses for him...it doesnt matter what tackle he plays, if he was good enough, he would be on the left side. The fact is that he is not that good, gets put on his wallet way too often and has crucial penalties at in opportune times...We are stuck with him so lets pray that he gets it together.

[RaiderSithLord]

Originally Posted by L.A. Raiderfan

I dont know how we passed on a franchise QB in Ben Roethlisberger for an O-Linemen. I would take Taylor and Ben over Gallery so imo he wasn't worth the pick.

Give me a stud hoss lineman over ANY position on offense. A great O-line can make an average back look all pro (see Denver for proof).

Gallary was the one I was hoping for.... and glad we got him.

[RaiderSithLord]

Originally Posted by oAkToWn18

HELL NO...i think that was the dumbest move in history to waste the number 2 pick on gallery when we couldve traded up for eli or picked big ben or any other prime position. we picked gallery and look at us now...right back where we started 4-11 once again

1>The Chargers had the rights to Eli, so let me break it down like this for you skippy, NO WAY IN HELL DO THE RAIDERS AND CHARGERS MAKE A TRADE.

2> NO single pick would have turned everything around.

Learn some fundimentals of football.

[RaiderSithLord]

Originally Posted by jimi18

Ok.. now i have to make a Gallery clip just to shut you clowns up!

Do it...

I look forward to seeing it!

[braddok]

I was watching the draft and applauded when we got Robert. I still say he was the best draft pick in the last 2 years. He will be fine, the kid is a monster.

Games are won in the trenches, and we want someone like Robert in there fighting for us. Hopefi\ully, he will develope a bond with Andrew Walter, both being young players, and they will pave the way out of the abyss and back into the light..... WHERE THE RAIDERS BELONG!!!!!!!!!

[L.A. Raiderfan]

Originally Posted by jimi18

Same reason we took a Kicker in round one... it was what we needed... We had Gannon and Collins was backing him up... No need for a QB then... we could had gotten Pendington instead of Jano, but we needed a kicker... just like we needed protection for Gannon at that time!

"IF" my aunt had marbles, i would prolly use the word uncle instead!!!

"IF" I ate a sandwich, I would not be hungry right now!!!

"IF" I flip the calendar ahead to Feburary..... it will still be Dec.

We didn't have Collins at the time and Gannon was on his way out. We also had a big need at safety.

[JordanFreak408]

Gallow is my main man...he is the shizznit, even tho big ben put in mad work...once he starts to play LT he's gonna put in worky for shirky