Be careful what you wish for

[Showtime31]

I remember in the preseason when Kerry Collins was lighting it up and Marques Tuiasosopo was struggling, you guys were riding the Collins bandwagon all the way to New England. Then, Collins starts struggling, and you call for his head and give Tui the start. Tui does worse than you could ever imagine, and now what is it going to be? Who's fault is it now? Al Davis'? Norv Turner's?

The fact of the matter is, 95% of the people on this site are bandwagon jumpers that know a minimal about actual football. I look at this site less and less because of it. I remember the 2003 season, you guys were beating on Gannon, calling him an old man, etc. Now you're begging for him to come back. I'd like to see you take a shot at an Oakland Raider to an Oakland Raider. It makes me sick to my stomach to read this garbage and you guys can take all the shots at me that you want, but it's the sad truth.

Start being real fans.

[kadfr]

Originally Posted by Showtime31

I remember in the preseason when Kerry Collins was lighting it up and Marques Tuiasosopo was struggling, you guys were riding the Collins bandwagon all the way to New England. Then, Collins starts struggling, and you call for his head and give Tui the start. Tui does worse than you could ever imagine, and now what is it going to be? Who's fault is it now? Al Davis'? Norv Turner's?

The fact of the matter is, 95% of the people on this site are bandwagon jumpers that know a minimal about actual football. I look at this site less and less because of it. I remember the 2003 season, you guys were beating on Gannon, calling him an old man, etc. Now you're begging for him to come back. I'd like to see you take a shot at an Oakland Raider to an Oakland Raider. It makes me sick to my stomach to read this garbage and you guys can take all the shots at me that you want, but it's the sad truth.

Start being real fans.

Collins was awful in the last month or so and good only in terms of statistics earlier in the season. When you have a potentially explosive offensive and it can't put points on the board then you have to look at the quarterback, as well as the offensive co-ordinator and also the Head Coach.

I think most people on here recognise that it wasn't just Collins to blame but that the problems on the team aren't just in one area (ie the quarterback) but are littered everywhere. The o-line is dreadful. The secondary is inexperienced and prone to mistakes. A mass of injuries has cost us dearly (Woodson, Sapp, Gibson, Williams, Curry, Moss) and now we are at the stage when morale is at a low and the team have little to play for.

Quite frankly, switching Collins was the only change we could have made at this stage of the season. He was NOT performing and did not look like the answer at QB - we needed to know if Tui was the future. Walter was unfortunately injured so couldn't start but he may see playing time before the season is out if Tui does not look the part.

With the o-line and d-line depleted due to injuries and a string of injuries in the secondary there isn't really much room for us to make personnel changes in other departments.

Moreover, it would be detremental to sack the coaches with only a handful of games left in the season. Personally, I can't see Norv Turner hanging onto his job if he can't beat the Jets. What about the Browns/Broncos/Giants games coming up?

We were killed this season due to a few factors. Most of them are

1. A tough schedule - especially early on. We lost momentum early in the season and never recovered.
2. Injuries Injuries Injuries
3. Kerry Collins.
4. O-line
5. Coaching
6. Penalties
7. Bad luck and poor refereeing at crucial points in the season
8. A loss of heart after the KC defeat.

And incidently, the term 'bandwagon jumper' is rather daft when you consider that we've only won 4 games this year - there isn't really a bandwagon to jump on this year.

And Collins? Like many people I thought we should stick with him but his performances over the past few weeks have got worse and worse. He will not be the qb for the Raiders next year. We needed to know whether to stick with the backups for next year or to get fresh blood in there. Tui has a handful of games to prove that he can get the job done.

There was little to learn from having Collins at QB. He's had plenty of time to show what he was worth.

Incidently, what would you describe as a 'real fan'? Is it someone who never ever has an opinion on the team or critises their side when they are dreadful or wants to try new things when things are not working properly? That sounds a lot more like the passivity of a casual fan rather than a real fan.

[YayAreaPlaya707]

Originally Posted by kadfr

Collins was awful in the last month or so and good only in terms of statistics earlier in the season. When you have a potentially explosive offensive and it can't put points on the board then you have to look at the quarterback, as well as the offensive co-ordinator and also the Head Coach.

I think most people on here recognise that it wasn't just Collins to blame but that the problems on the team aren't just in one area (ie the quarterback) but are littered everywhere. The o-line is dreadful. The secondary is inexperienced and prone to mistakes. A mass of injuries has cost us dearly (Woodson, Sapp, Gibson, Williams, Curry, Moss) and now we are at the stage when morale is at a low and the team have little to play for.

Quite frankly, switching Collins was the only change we could have made at this stage of the season. He was NOT performing and did not look like the answer at QB - we needed to know if Tui was the future. Walter was unfortunately injured so couldn't start but he may see playing time before the season is out if Tui does not look the part.

With the o-line and d-line depleted due to injuries and a string of injuries in the secondary there isn't really much room for us to make personnel changes in other departments.

Moreover, it would be detremental to sack the coaches with only a handful of games left in the season. Personally, I can't see Norv Turner hanging onto his job if he can't beat the Jets. What about the Browns/Broncos/Giants games coming up?

We were killed this season due to a few factors. Most of them are

1. A tough schedule - especially early on. We lost momentum early in the season and never recovered.
2. Injuries Injuries Injuries
3. Kerry Collins.
4. O-line
5. Coaching
6. Penalties
7. Bad luck and poor refereeing at crucial points in the season
8. A loss of heart after the KC defeat.

And incidently, the term 'bandwagon jumper' is rather daft when you consider that we've only won 4 games this year - there isn't really a bandwagon to jump on this year.

And Collins? Like many people I thought we should stick with him but his performances over the past few weeks have got worse and worse. He will not be the qb for the Raiders next year. We needed to know whether to stick with the backups for next year or to get fresh blood in there. Tui has a handful of games to prove that he can get the job done.

There was little to learn from having Collins at QB. He's had plenty of time to show what he was worth.

Incidently, what would you describe as a 'real fan'? Is it someone who never ever has an opinion on the team or critises their side when they are dreadful or wants to try new things when things are not working properly? That sounds a lot more like the passivity of a casual fan rather than a real fan.

Realest **** ever wrote. Rep-worthy.

To the threadstarter, just because Tui struggled does not mean we should have stuck with Collins. It was clear he was not the man to lead this team. Tui may not be either, but we do need to find out what we have at the QB position before the season ends so that we may move forward. And as has already been stated I believe most of the members on this site recognize that our troubles have not been entirely or even mostly Collins' fault but at the same time he was not part of the solution

[KELLYISTHEMAN]

This team has 1,000 problems, but only oen big one.

WHERE THE FCK IS THE OFFENSIVE LINE???

[kadfr]

Originally Posted by KELLYISTHEMAN

This team has 1,000 problems, but only oen big one.

WHERE THE FCK IS THE OFFENSIVE LINE???

What I want to know is how come the Offensive Line has declined so rapidly this year - was it my imagination or weren't they pretty good last year? Has age crept up on Sims/Stone? Has Gallery had his 'sophomore season'? Is it the injuries to Treu/Badger/Walker/Grove? Or is the o-line coaching? Is Courtney Anderson at Tight End at least partly to blame?

Whatever, this was a good line in theory that has crumbled this year.

My hunch is that they have struggled with injuries and age and we've had to rely on the backups too much. In any case, we need faces here desperately.

[HollandRobbie]

There is nothing wrong in giving the back-ups snaps in a NFL game if there is nothing more to win than pride and draft position. I like the fact that our young guys get to learn on the fly..that they get to hate loosing...and focus on winning next year. I realy liked what i saw from our young CB's this year our LB and ofcouse our DE with 13 sacks.. i have a lot of hope for next year with Riddle inthere to.

So if Walter needs snaps to get a feel that's fine by me. Collins Needs to know that with his exp. and feel for the game he didn't deliver when needed. even in his streak where he didn't throw any int's we lost.

Like Al would say you don't have to play well as long as you win...the other way around is no option to me.

Amen, let's move to the draft and turn these things around.

[G-MoNeY]

Originally Posted by KELLYISTHEMAN

This team has 1,000 problems, but only oen big one.

WHERE THE FCK IS THE OFFENSIVE LINE???

i agree.. its not tui's fault at all im not blaming tui.. the oline cant block for ****.. they got man hammered all damn day. the oline didnt let tui have anytime to do anything

[DarkSide]

Since the Raiders are now on their way to their first three season loosing streak since the beginning (60-62). While still having players to the degree of game breaker status and young ones w/lots of up-side, the team seems no better off then w/the Callahan era. And... being the team is at this point, I wish nothing more than to see AW taking snaps before this nightmare is over. Lets hope next week is a more positive evaluation and outcome of our teams players & coaches (present and future).

WTG HollandRobbie

Originally Posted by HollandRobbie

There is nothing wrong in giving the back-ups snaps in a NFL game if there is nothing more to win than pride and draft position. I like the fact that our young guys get to learn on the fly..that they get to hate loosing...and focus on winning next year. I realy liked what i saw from our young CB's this year our LB and ofcouse our DE with 13 sacks.. i have a lot of hope for next year with Riddle inthere to.

So if Walter needs snaps to get a feel that's fine by me. Collins Needs to know that with his exp. and feel for the game he didn't deliver when needed. even in his streak where he didn't throw any int's we lost.

Like Al would say you don't have to play well as long as you win...the other way around is no option to me.

Amen, let's move to the draft and turn these things around.

[Pietro]

Originally Posted by Showtime31

I remember in the preseason when Kerry Collins was lighting it up and Marques Tuiasosopo was struggling, you guys were riding the Collins bandwagon all the way to New England. Then, Collins starts struggling, and you call for his head and give Tui the start. Tui does worse than you could ever imagine, and now what is it going to be? Who's fault is it now? Al Davis'? Norv Turner's?

The fact of the matter is, 95% of the people on this site are bandwagon jumpers that know a minimal about actual football. I look at this site less and less because of it. I remember the 2003 season, you guys were beating on Gannon, calling him an old man, etc. Now you're begging for him to come back. I'd like to see you take a shot at an Oakland Raider to an Oakland Raider. It makes me sick to my stomach to read this garbage and you guys can take all the shots at me that you want, but it's the sad truth.

Start being real fans.

If you don't like it here, don't come.

What are you, the resident genius? Your moniker trumpets Philip Buchannon for crying out loud. What more do I need to say. That by itself says it all about you.

You lump everybody on the site as one person.

This is a site where everyone sadily, even you, are given opportunities to show how much or in a case like yours, how little they know.

Who is going to jump on a bandwagon of a team that has back to back 4-12, 5-11 and now, 4-9 seasons?

Get real. The people who are here except the most of the guys with player monikers are Raider fans. You, obviously, are not.

[Raider4Liphe]

Originally Posted by Pietro

If you don't like it here, don't come.

What are you, the resident genius? Your moniker trumpets Philip Buchannon for crying out loud. What more do I need to say. That by itself says it all about you.

You lump everybody on the site as one person.

This is a site where everyone sadily, even you, are given opportunities to show how much or in a case like yours, how little they know.

Who is going to jump on a bandwagon of a team that has back to back 4-12, 5-11 and now, 4-9 seasons?

Get real. The people who are here except the most of the guys with player monikers are Raider fans. You, obviously, are not.

Well well well.....Look who comes into a thread and just schools a poster???? None other than Pietro....You make em count bro....Pound for pound the best poster on the site!

Now if you'll excuse me, I will be in the garage scrubbing my lips with paint thinner after kissing your ass!!!!

[Kerry_CollINT's]

[quote=Pietro]If you don't like it here, don't come.

What are you, the resident genius? Your moniker trumpets Philip Buchannon for crying out loud. What more do I need to say. That by itself says it all about you.

QUOTE]

Don't hate on Showtime..the cable channel..

As far as P-Buch, you are right anyone whose name gives that stiff daps should really be embarassed..

[canadianraider]

go cheer for phuckup buchanon and the texans then.

If not, atleast make a productive thread either then talking trash to all of this site.