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Raiderrooter · #1 (**permalink**) 12-12-2005, 06:08 AM

Thats all that needs to be said. About this team. The Jets basically had a 3rd string offence in the game and they moved the ball up and down the field with no problem. Norv Turner should be fired on the spot and not even be allowed on the plane back to Oakland.

BlackSundayNYC · #2 (**permalink**) 12-12-2005, 06:10 AM

We all owe Collins an apology. Tui was and will always be terrible. Kerry Collins would have been much better whether we won or lost. Collins could at least give us a fighting chance. We were embarrassed by the worst team in football. Kerry Collins was never the problem and it is obvious today.

PLEASE HOPE WE PUT KERRY IN NEXT WEEK. I can not handle being embarrassed like this again.

speedkills · #3 (**permalink**) 12-12-2005, 06:10 AM

agreed on the turner comment, they weren't even competative against a third string team on offense, that hadnt been competative, fire turner now, tui aint the answer (the oline stinks but about half the sacks were hisown fault, no feel for pressure) i say lose the rest of the games and hopefully we get leinart

Oakraiders05 · #4 (**permalink**) 12-12-2005, 06:11 AM

both qbs r fine man its the o-line dats pissin me off

raterfann · #5 (**permalink**) 12-12-2005, 06:12 AM

Yeppers...............we stunk up the place

sewerage · #6 (**permalink**) 12-12-2005, 06:14 AM

cant blame norv for the defense. you can blame him for some poor play calling. our corners have got to start making some kind of plays on the ball. They are never in position. The secondary has one meaninful INT all year, by Sweigert, the one by woodson doesnt count because it was a hail mary. Ronde Barber has 4 in two weeks, Deltha O'neal had 5 in week one. hell Ty law had as many today as we have all year. The only bright spot on our defense was Burgess.

speedkills · #7 (**permalink**) 12-12-2005, 06:15 AM

no we dont, oline stinks, but Tui is horrible, but it is good that we KNOW he is horrible that way we can move on next year, sorry many of you will say i am not a real raider fan, but the fact of the matter is the team is better off losing the rest of its game for draft purposes if we go 4-12 we will probably pick 5-6th or so and maybe able to trade up to pick leinart or Young

**MiamiRaider29** · #8 (**permalink**) 12-12-2005, 06:15 AM

Nothing against Tui, be he is nowhere near Kerry Collins. I agreed with the change just for a spark, but Kerry Collins ( who has over 32,000 career passing yards ) is clearly the better than Tui. The line also needs to really get better.

fonzarelli · #9 (**permalink**) 12-12-2005, 06:16 AM

No both QBs are bad. The O-line is obviously awful but that doesn't change the fact that when given time both of them have not suceeded with this team. Collins will be gone next year and Tui will be down at number 3

R8RFATEFUL2K5 · #10 (**permalink**) 12-12-2005, 06:17 AM

We are the laughing stock of the league right now. I say fire the OC, HC and send Norval packing. Al, please prove me wrong and bring in a coach that you will allow to run this team without your meddling. Is it just me, or do any of you think that we've gone back in time to 1996?

Hungary87 · #11 (**permalink**) 12-12-2005, 06:18 AM

IMO it's not either or. It's both the QB and the O line. They are both mediocre, sometimes worse. Need to upgrade the line for sure and look at options at QB.

Keep the chin up, nation!

Raiderrooter · #12 (**permalink**) 12-12-2005, 06:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sewerage

cant blame norv for the defense. you can blame him for some poor play calling. our corners have got to start making some kind of plays on the ball. They are never in position. The secondary has one meaninful INT all year, by Sweigert, the one by woodson doesnt count because it was a hail mary. Ronde Barber has 4 in two weeks, Deltha O'neal had 5 in week one. hell Ty law had as many today as we have all year. The only bright spot on our defense was Burgess.

Why can't you blame Norv for the D . The HC over sees every faze of the team. And in the end its his call on schemes etc. both on offense and defense and special teams. Thats why Norv will never be more than a good offensive co-ordinator because he can't handle running the whole show. Not only do I blame him I put sole resposibility on him and him alone. Gone get hiss ASS out of Oakland.

R8RFATEFUL2K5 · #13 (**permalink**) 12-12-2005, 06:25 AM

Without blocking, no QB has time to find an open receiver. I was rooting for Tui to do well, but without blocking, he was doomed from the start. I thought that Tui could'nt do any worse than Collins. BOY WAS I WRONG! I'm going to have to eat my words tommorow morning at work!
Why should we start Walter? Hurt or not, if he doesnt have any blocking up front, we're just putting him out there to get KILLED!
Trying to keep my chin up, but a loss to a 2-10 team weighs kinda heavy on me.

**Ih8bandwgnbchis** · #14 (**permalink**) 12-12-2005, 06:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlackSundayNYC

We all owe Collins an apology. Tui was and will always be terrible. Kerry Collins would have been much better whether we won or lost. Collins could at least give us a fighting chance. We were embarrassed by the worst team in football. Kerry Collins was never the problem and it is obvious today.

PLEASE HOPE WE PUT KERRY IN NEXT WEEK. I can not handle being embarrassed like this again.

I owe Collins nothing. He sucks. He got what he deserved.

Raiderrooter · #15 (**permalink**) 12-12-2005, 06:35 AM

Why is this thread considered smack talk? If I would have thrown in some facts about penalties and X's and O's would have it been moved? Or is this just a front against me?