for all those Lamont Jordan Haters

[GLOONEY32]

and you fkn know who you are....SHUT THE FK UP!!!!!
What are you kidding me??? Not only is Jordan our LEADER...he puts his money were his mouth....when he plays like sh1t...he owns up to it...he takes responsibility....What the fk kind of quote is this "He is slow to hit the holes, dosn't break long runs, can't get outside and drops passes."??? have you even watched the games hes in???? By the way...who leads our team in Receptions???? How many FKN drops do our Receiver have...and how many of them own up to it????? Jordan owns up to it...takes responsibility for it and fixes it....how many games have we won when he gets 20+ carries??? thats right...every fkn time!!! He is the heart and soul of our Offense.....and if you think he's slow and can't break the big one..you are sadly mistaken...did you see the holding play by Langston (by the way it did NOT have any affect on his run) that called it back???? He IS a power back with speed!! watch the game...don't just bitch when you look up stats on line and see he had 22 Carries with only 50 some odd yards.....PULLEASE WATCH THE GAME...before you spout off......he gets almost 100+ yards a game with receiving and rushing...Did you really think with our O-line...that he would be over a thousand yards....at the mid point???? PULLEASE....do YOUR homework and stop talking sh1t about our RB...and for those who still thinks he sucks....how many yards TOTAL did Wheatley and ZEROE have last year...yeah...mark by words....barring injury...he will top 1,000 yards this year...now...can you HATERS stop bashing the heart and soul of our OFFENSE???

[RaiderDee]

I didn't know there WERE Jordan haters. I thought the general concensus was that we don't use him enough.

[Hawaiian Raider]

Originally Posted by RaiderDee

I didn't know there WERE Jordan haters. I thought the general concensus was that we don't use him enough.

Questioning some of Jordan's performance isn't hating on him. And yes, he needs to lug the ball more. Still, it's my observation that he doesn't take it up in the hole with authority, like a Zach Crockett, Randy Jordan, or Pete Banazak used too, he dances around a lot. It just may be that he's not as powerful as perceived. Still, he's a SOLID RB that contributes a lot to our team. Not a Jordan hater because of these points.

[Pietro]

Since those are my quotes, I have to think you are talking about me.

Sorry young man, you misunderstand me. I am not a LJ hater. Quite the contrary. I am a huge Oakland Raider fan. It is however, about the team and not any one player.

There are individuals who warrant high praise because of their star caliber ability. I would not put Lamont Jordan as one of them.

Sorry you disagree with my candor. Maybe you are impressed with mediocrity, I am not.

He is slow to hit the holes. He dosn't get to the outside, he dances too much and he drops passes. Sounds right to me.

He has done a good job. Not a great job. The fact the team has won games where he has had 20 carries is more coincidence than any fact due to him.

The way I see it, he has had one good game. The rest, average at best. If you think yesterday's 20 carry performance was stellar, it is you who needs to open their eyes a little wider.

Oh and by the way, I made no comparisons to Zeroeue or Wheatley. Those too were average backs.

And, he should run for 1000 yards. Do you know what it takes to get 1000 yards in the NFL? 65 yards per game average. 1000 yards used to mean something. That was in a 12 and 14 yard season. Now, it is misused.

Having watched the Raiders as long as I have, I have a pretty good understanding of what their needs are. You don't have to agree with me. I don't think LJ has been what we hoped he would be.

I would much rather see Crockett more and he is a journeyman at best. I think he is also much better in short yardage than Jordan.

He has been a stellar citizen. Trying to take the load on his shoulders. Admirable quality. Earl Campbell he is not.

So relax a little bit. And, remember this very important fact.

Criticizm is not a sign of discontent, bandwagoning, hate mongering or unpatriotic as some interesting folks seem to mention from time to time.

Criticizm is the act of caring and patriotism. I happen to be a very big fan of the Raiders.

If you read my posts, I call it like I see it.

[Humblebolt]

Jordan is an OK running back. There are definitely worse in The League. And there are definitely better -- especially in this division, where Jordan is probably the least of the starters for the four teams.

[Pietro]

Lamont Jordan's 692 yards puts him at 15th in the NFL, 9th in the AFC and he has a 3.5 yards per carry average.

His longest run was 24 yards.

Sounds average to me.

As I said, we need someone who can get outside and break it. Dosn't have to be an every down back someone like a Nap Kaufman. We have no speed to the outside.

And, Bolt, you are correct in your assessment.

[Plata y Negro]

I think that Wheatley was an "average" back, and if you can't see the HUGE improvement Jordan gives the team then whatever. Jordan is not the best, but I think he's a good RB, and to call him average is a disgrace to him and the team. Keep in mind Jordan did have a nice 50 yard run against KC, but it was called back for a phantom holding penalty away from the run.

[kitared]

LJ is OK, he has improved our run game. He isn't a LT, Shuaun Alexander, E James or a Warrick Dunn. He has made some great plays, but I wouldn't say that his play making (or lack of) is all his fault either... that O line has to open up some holes for him to get through.

[GLOONEY32]

Originally Posted by Pietro

Since those are my quotes, I have to think you are talking about me.

Sorry young man, you misunderstand me. I am not a LJ hater. Quite the contrary. I am a huge Oakland Raider fan. It is however, about the team and not any one player.

There are individuals who warrant high praise because of their star caliber ability. I would not put Lamont Jordan as one of them.

Sorry you disagree with my candor. Maybe you are impressed with mediocrity, I am not.

He is slow to hit the holes. He dosn't get to the outside, he dances too much and he drops passes. Sounds right to me.

He has done a good job. Not a great job. The fact the team has won games where he has had 20 carries is more coincidence than any fact due to him.

The way I see it, he has had one good game. The rest, average at best. If you think yesterday's 20 carry performance was stellar, it is you who needs to open their eyes a little wider.

Oh and by the way, I made no comparisons to Zeroeue or Wheatley. Those too were average backs.

And, he should run for 1000 yards. Do you know what it takes to get 1000 yards in the NFL? 65 yards per game average. 1000 yards used to mean something. That was in a 12 and 14 yard season. Now, it is misused.

Having watched the Raiders as long as I have, I have a pretty good understanding of what their needs are. You don't have to agree with me. I don't think LJ has been what we hoped he would be.

I would much rather see Crockett more and he is a journeyman at best. I think he is also much better in short yardage than Jordan.

He has been a stellar citizen. Trying to take the load on his shoulders. Admirable quality. Earl Campbell he is not.

So relax a little bit. And, remember this very important fact.

Criticizm is not a sign of discontent, bandwagoning, hate mongering or unpatriotic as some interesting folks seem to mention from time to time.

Criticizm is the act of caring and patriotism. I happen to be a very big fan of the Raiders.

If you read my posts, I call it like I see it.

got a little carried away with that wasn't trying to offend anyone...however I do feel like he doesn't get the respect he deserves...even if he ends up an ok/average back...it's better than what we've had since bo or Marcus....you can say Kaufman...but how long did he play?? and how many 1,000+ yard seasons did he have?? I love his fire..and leadership....and that has done more for the team this year...and I also believe he will be a top 10 back next year....probably top 5....once he gets a decent rushing o-line...admit it...our guards suck...and we need to address that situation soon.

[Pietro]

Nice job Glooney,

I agree with you. Lamont Jordan has been a good acquisition and has improved our running game this year. He has a lot of qualities you want in a team player, attitude, desire, etc. He wants the ball. Can't fault that.

He has also, as you pointed out, been productive catching the ball. His 50+ catches attest to that.

I don't think we need to replace him unless of couse we somehow can arrange a way to get the #1 pick in the draft and get Reggie Bush (unlikely).

What I would like to see is a 3rd round pick on a guy who can flat out fly. Not rugged enough to be an every down back, but a change of pace guy with the ability to take it to the house. Nap was like that so was Arthur Whittington, Clarence Davis and a host of others.

It is not all Lamont's fault. I too have criticized the play of the 0-line which has also been racked by injuries. Too inconsistent for my taste.

So don't get me wrong. I think Jordan is good.

Problem with me is I expected a lot this year. Yeah, I know, I do every year. So this year's and the prior 2 years failures have taken their toll on me. Everything is highlighted and nobody has been spared my wrath.

When I finally calm down, I try to focus on the positives and there are positives to build on.

This team is not that far away.

[pac4eva5]

i didnt know there were LJ haters...

[Hawaiian Raider]

Originally Posted by pac4eva5

i didnt know there were LJ haters...

I don't think so. Still, if you compare him to Marcus or Bo well,...he's got 5 more years to go to even be considered in the same conversation with Marcus and, unless he's going to get way stronger and way faster - he'll never be Bo! Bo was a freak - and I mean that in a good way!

[Raidermaiden]

Jordan is a work in progress, remember Jordan was a back-up runningback and is quickly becoming more comfortable as the everydown back; it was apparent his first couple of games that he was not used to being an everydown back and is only now in running shape to become the everyday back and I think he is doing a hell of a job and will only get better. Next couple of years he will break out as one of the best no doubt in my mind.