Please don't complain about the penalty on Moss

[Probot]

Originally Posted by ArrowheadMagic

Moss pushed off on the 2nd half TD and wasnt called.....that TD actually gave you momentium......and you guys puked on yourselves........stop crying...we didnt play well..and still won.....to bad thats your only home sellout....thank you company that bought the tickets....you guys are really bush league bandwagon jumpers.. its only 2 games...if your team is as good as we have heard this week you guys should be able to dig yourselves out of this hole.

What the hell is this crap? You gotta insult people and how can we be bandwagon jumpers when our team hasn't won but 9 times in the last 34 games? Thats not accurate at all. I think you should be banned for having no sportsmanship and less class than anyone I've ever seen post here.

[dAtRaIdErGuY]

Originally Posted by ArrowheadMagic

Moss pushed off on the 2nd half TD and wasnt called.....that TD actually gave you momentium......and you guys puked on yourselves........stop crying...we didnt play well..and still won.....to bad thats your only home sellout....thank you company that bought the tickets....you guys are really bush league bandwagon jumpers.. its only 2 games...if your team is as good as we have heard this week you guys should be able to dig yourselves out of this hole.

give me a break no way he pushed off on the second half TD u ****kkers got lucky this week we gave u that win simple as that and if u think that u are goin to the superbowl this year u got another thing comin cuz u guys didnt impress me one bit

[ChiefsMedKC]

I dunno guys. I'm thinking the penalty was actually pretty well called. I'm not saying that because I'm a Chiefs fan, but because I saw it before I even knew a flag dropped or McCleon complained. The replay angles were terrible views of the penalty, but the initial TV angle made it plain to see. Moss pushed McCleon just enough to set him off balance and keep him from making a good jump. What you CAN see in the replay angles is that Moss does set his hands on McCleon before the catch.

Either way, I think it was a fair call and I'm trying to say that as tactfully as possible.

PS If you want to balance bad calls, Moss' big play TD had a major hold on one of our DEs. Your tackle grabbed him around the throat when he would have had a free shot on Collins.

[ArrowheadMagic]

Indeed we will see you on 11-06-2005. It was a typical Chiefs/Raider game where it came down to someone making a play....this time it was your offense needing to make a play....... No Chiefs fan thinks your team is horrible, we all wanted to see how our D held up to your offense. Again, we have holes in our pass defense, which hopefully Warfield clears up. Honestly, i think you guys can beat the Eagles..... You guys do a good job on the run defense which can negate Westbrook. I dont think Collins is your best bet at QB...but its who you have, yes, he should give it to Moss more.. But you have other weapons. Besides...the was a reason why Jordan couldnt surpass Martin in NY.... He didnt look comfortable in pass routes. Maybe over anxious...dont know

[STiG909]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla

Like I said....

All of you should watch the 60+ yard TD to Moss. But don't watch Moss. Watch the Chiefs' defensive end, Jared Allen, coming from the left side. He gets held--you can literally see Gallery's arm wrapped around Allen's throat.

By that argument, that TD should have been taken away too. What goes around, comes around. Most of the time, you don't lose games because of ref foul-ups. If you watched game tape of all the missed calls on both the Chiefs and Raiders' side, I guarantee that would even out.

How many TD's did the refs blow for you guys tonight?

[AW71]

There is no doubt that the Raiders/Chiefs rivalry will ever be touched by ANY TEAM in the NFL.

[TiltRaider]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla

Like I said....

All of you should watch the 60+ yard TD to Moss. But don't watch Moss. Watch the Chiefs' defensive end, Jared Allen, coming from the left side. He gets held--you can literally see Gallery's arm wrapped around Allen's throat.

By that argument, that TD should have been taken away too. What goes around, comes around. Most of the time, you don't lose games because of ref foul-ups. If you watched game tape of all the missed calls on both the Chiefs and Raiders' side, I guarantee that would even out.

bull****!

i recorded the game, i seen it, there was not a hold...

as for the PI, it was pure crap moss DID NOT push off, ive seen it over and over and over, it was pure crap...

then the uncatchable ball by kennison, should have been illeagal contact, it was uncatchable, you are gonna say i didnt see it? i recorded it, seen it over and over...

im sick of this bull****, refs dictate games over and over and over against us, it should not be this way, the two teams should just go out and play their asses off, they did, but it did not come down tot he better team winning because it was not called fairly..

this truly is bull****...

[ArrowheadMagic]

heres a tissue tilt..

[Probot]

I watched it on TiVo when I was home for lunch. The chef's hand goes for Moss' arm before Moss even touches him. It was bs, but thats life as a Raidersfan.

[rbzak]

We can argue about it all we want...bad call...good call...(bad call in my opinion), uncatchable...the whole thing. Fact of the matter is this, Grove doesn't hold, we win...Jano makes a field goal, we win. Hurt me (and the wife) to see the first one taken back but we had chances and didn't come through. I WON'T say good game because I'm bitter about the PI BUT the Raiders and we as Raider fans should know that when it comes to football, the Raiders HAVE to TAKE the win, because for the last 25 years (for me at least), if we don't, there will always be SOMETHING to take the win from US! Better execution and it's all a moot point.

[ShadowRaider]

Originally Posted by ArrowheadMagic

Moss pushed off on the 2nd half TD and wasnt called.....that TD actually gave you momentium......and you guys puked on yourselves........stop crying...we didnt play well..and still won.....to bad thats your only home sellout....thank you company that bought the tickets....you guys are really bush league bandwagon jumpers.. its only 2 games...if your team is as good as we have heard this week you guys should be able to dig yourselves out of this hole.

[ArrowheadMagic]

hey shadow...is that you in the basement?...b better if you had the graphic looking up as it was waving

[RAIderfan2112]

Originally Posted by kmartin575

As a Chiefs fan, I know that was a controversial call. However, as a Chiefs fan I also know that Tony Gonzalez is called for the same thing all the time. The Chiefs probably would have won the 2003 playoff game against Indianapolis if the refs wouldn't have made a similar crappy call. It sucks, but you just have to get over it. Nice game Faiders, LOL. Seriously, you guys showed you are better than you were last year.

WTF is up with you guys!! you guys have your own messageboard right? plus that was our TD for the win it was BS so i will complain as long as i need to dont come in to our house and tell us what we can do!!! you guys are losers good luck in the playoff's LOLOLOLOLOLOL

[ShadowRaider]

Nope... not me.

Don't you have your own board to go to?

Originally Posted by ArrowheadMagic

hey shadow...is that you in the basement?...b better if you had the graphic looking up as it was waving

[ArrowheadMagic]

well since the Chiefs own the Raiders...kind of makes this a Chiefs website also