From a NY Giants Fan - you should be ashamed.

**Cityscapex5** · 10-18-2004, 07:05 AM

I've watched every Giants game with Kerry Collins as a starter from 1999, saw him rout the vikings (yes Culpepper and MOSS) 41-0 in the NFC championship game and lead a mediocre Giants team to the Super Bowl. Over the years he has been a great QB for the Giants - the best since Phil Simms. I saw him yesterday and he did look uncomfortable. What is baffling is that he looked so good in the pre-season. Kerry's #'s over the years don't tell the story - yes, he has a great "deep ball" but he is a leader and a fighter, and once comfortable in his position will be a great RAIDER - all of you calling for TUI needs to let Collins develop - at the top of his game he is a top flight QB. Gannon is not coming back. TUI is not the answer - stop your drunken shouts of "TUI - TUI" from your cheap, reject holloween costumes and support Collins and the team. You were a 4-12 Team last season - what do you have to lose??????

**Twisted-Panther** · 10-18-2004, 07:08 AM

Hey you want Collins back you can have him. What he did (past tense with the Giants) a few years ago means nothing today. It is what have you done for us in this day and age of sports.

**AW71** · 10-18-2004, 07:12 AM

There's no question that Kerry Collins has the ability to be a quality QB...I say "has the makings" simply because our team is in a TRANSITION period: new players, new coaches, new philosophies, young players.

Your being a Giants fan leads an unfair statement into our realm, and this is why: You clearly stated that the Giants were a "mediocre team" that went to the Super Bowl...by your admission! We are a STORIED FRANCHISE that has NEVER accepted mediocrity by any standards. Yeah, we had a bad year last year. Kerry is struggling right now, but so is the rest of the team.

Unlike Giants fans, we aren't accustomed to losing every season

**OakR8rs** · 10-18-2004, 07:15 AM

Collins look very aprehensive in the pocket - That is not what you want your starting QB to look like -- I too am from NY and have watched KC through the years - He was always solid on his numbers but I always felt he threw way too many INTs - He should start 1 more game but if he still looks like sh.t back there then he should be pulled no later than the second quarter. One more chance! -- Thats it!

**JRJOHNKC** · 10-18-2004, 07:24 AM

Originally Posted by Cityscapex5

and once comfortable in his position will be a great RAIDER - all of you calling for TUI needs to let Collins develop

HAHAAHAHAH!!!! What 10 year vet needs to develop??? He's had all of training camp, preseason, and now 5 games. If that doesn't get you comfortable nothing will. He's shell shocked and has no confidence, not to mention absolutley zero mobility. TUI is young, athletic, and mobile... Sounds like a no brainer to me. Put the kid in...
Oh yeah, it didn't take Warner long to get comfortable with the Giants system, so WTF is wrong with Collins? Simple.... HE SUCKS and you can have him back!!!

**Raided_R** · 10-18-2004, 07:25 AM

Originally Posted by Cityscapex5

I've watched every Giants game with Kerry Collins as a starter from 1999, saw him rout the vikings (yes Culpepper and MOSS) 41-0 in the NFC championship game and lead a mediocre Giants team to the Super Bowl. Over the years he has been a great QB for the Giants - the best since Phil Simms. I saw him yesterday and he did look uncomfortable. What is baffling is that he looked so good in the pre-season. Kerry's #'s over the years don't tell the story - yes, he has a great "deep ball" but he is a leader and a fighter, and once comfortable in his position will be a great RAIDER - all of you calling for TUI needs to let Collins develop - at the top of his game he is a top flight QB. Gannon is not coming back. TUI is not the answer - stop your drunken shouts of "TUI - TUI" from your cheap, reject holloween costumes and support Collins and the team. You were a 4-12 Team last season - what do you have to lose??????

...before you get your phucking feelings hurt. The Giants actually go outside the norm by having more wins than losses and all of a sudden you bitch ass fans think you are the gurus of football? Phucking moron....

**DontBeMessin** · 10-18-2004, 07:26 AM

Collins sucks - One good year don't make QB's... He's good then he sucks - never consistent! I have watched him play also - and the number don't lie - right after that game against the Vikings what happened? What did he do? Lost the game with turnovers...

Collins sucks! I'm sick of waiting for him to get a feel! Get a handle on things! HE'S A PROFESSIONAL - he's had all fukking preseason to get a fukking feel!!!!!! He sucks ass - and I am standing by it!!! Yes I want Tui - I always have!!! Collins is so ****ty I wouldn't want his **** lips on my dogs dick!!!

**Trife22** · 10-18-2004, 07:26 AM

he's been horrid, he's got less than 50% QB rating for his 3 starts. He's not the sole reason we lost but we'll never know for sure the way his play demoralizes the team.

**DakotaRaider** · 10-18-2004, 07:27 AM

Originally Posted by Cityscapex5

and once comfortable in his position will be a great RAIDER

Well, he really hasn't had a chance to drop back and get a look downfield without having a blitzing LB in his face yet. Our o-line is embarrassing.

**AW71** · 10-18-2004, 07:30 AM

Originally Posted by JRJOHNKC

HAHAAHAHAH!!!! What 10 year vet needs to develop??? He's had all of training camp, preseason, and now 5 games.

Holy crap, JR....my post now looks like crap...you hit the nail on the head for that one. Rep points your way, my brutha...

BTW...I love your quote about Norv Turner.

**JRJOHNKC** · 10-18-2004, 07:33 AM

Originally Posted by AutumnWind71

Holy crap, JR....my post now looks like crap...you hit the nail on the head for that one. Rep points your way, my brutha...

BTW...I love your quote about Norv Turner.

Props to you as well bro...!!!

**Probot** · 10-18-2004, 07:43 AM

Collins looked good in preseason cuz he was going up against the second and third stringers.

**Raider Jim** · 10-18-2004, 07:46 AM

Throws a nice deep ball? There were 2 deep plays that he just over threw and a 3rd muffed play. All could have been TDs which means we could have went into the half at 21 instead of 3. Penalties are killing us, but Collins is holding us under water. Our receivers have shown time and time again that they can stretch the field, Collins just can't get the ball there. Now Jeff George threw a nice deep ball.

**HollandRobbie** · 10-18-2004, 07:53 AM

I agree Dakota, our praized O-line our number 2 draft pick this year they all look like 75 pound chairs. Anyone on my remarks about Bigben ? i would trade in a millisecond. We can always bring in a Vet LT to play RT. I am sorry but our man is just not getting it done.