This "man i got everything" is what is wrong

[VEfreak]

You also have to remember that it is a history book, within the course of history bad things do happen, would you agree? So im not sure what you mean and how that means anything bad if it talks about bad things, can you please explain?

Here is the proper forum for this type of discussion

Everything Else - Oakland Raiders Forum | Message Board - Where the Raider Nation lives!

Lets keep the message board to Raider talk.

[TiltRaider]

POCM Pagan Origins of the Christ Myth > POCM > Christianity is another ancient Pagan religion.
Christianity has Pagan DNA

Would you like me to explain to you in this post while that site is false or within a PM?

Just something to think about VEFreak, why do you think there are no sources on that site that speak about dates and when these myths supposedly occured?

Not sure if you are aware but I can show you at least 5 sources outside of the Bible that do in fact corroborate with the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ. Writers that had no "axe to grind" so to speak but testified as honest historians such as Josephius Flavious, Pliny the Younger, Cornelius and many more. Many of them were not Christian but, as aforementioned, wrote about the things which they have seen and heard about Jesus of Nazareth, how can that be?

I would like to discuss further if you would like, i dont claim to have all the answers, but i can tell you are reading some things that may not be true.

[TiltRaider]

Here is the proper forum for this type of discussion

Everything Else - Oakland Raiders Forum | Message Board - Where the Raider Nation lives!

Lets keep the message board to Raider talk.

If the mods move it then we can discuss there, this is a message board, so people are allowed to voice their opinions on subjects when they arise even if they disagree. i know it may not be in the proper place on the site, but the topic came up, so it can be discussed

[kinz]

Hey, while we are at it, what does everybody think about abortion? How about the death penalty? What about salty snacks.

This quit having anything to do about football a long time ago. Take it elsewhere guys.

[VEfreak]

Would you like me to explain to you in this post while that site is false or within a PM?

Just something to think about VEFreak, why do you think there are no sources on that site that speak about dates and when these myths supposedly occured?

Not sure if you are aware but I can show you at least 5 sources outside of the Bible that do in fact corroborate with the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ. Writers that had no "axe to grind" so to speak but testified as honest historians such as Josephius Flavious, Pliny the Younger, Cornelius and many more. Many of them were not Christian but, as aforementioned, wrote about the things which they have seen and heard about Jesus of Nazareth, how can that be?

I would like to discuss further if you would like, i dont claim to have all the answers, but i can tell you are reading some things that may not be true.

No I really don't care what you have to say about your god. I am an atheist. I didn't even read those sites I posted, I just posted them for the hell of it.

[TiltRaider]

No I really don't care what you have to say about your god. I am an atheist. I didn't even read those sites I posted, I just posted them for the hell of it.

If you did not care what I had to say then you would not have posted those sites. Out of curiousity what made you become an atheist? i am not presupposing anything, just asking a question bro, and mean no ill intent. you dont have to answer if you dont want to, i can respect that.

[sa_dick_steele]

In what way was he belittling anyone? all he stated is that a prideful mentality does not bread success in this conversation, football, but generally speaking in life as well, how is that wrong?

People mistake telling the truth with someone belittling someone, there is a difference between exhortation and condemnation, it is a matter of interpretation on both parties, in this case, i think the original poster was making a statement of exhortation because he made a truthful statement, but everyone else assumed differently.

Read his response to TNJ, that is where my comment is coming from. I quoted this because of his ridiculous interpretation of Jano's comment. But hey, take it how you want, it is a matter of interpretation.

Hey kinz. I love salty snacks!

VEFreak... i literally lol'ed with the "for the hell of it" comment! lol

[rdr4lfe]

[OVERtheSHOULDER]

"Before I was all messed up on drugs... Now I'm all messed up on the Lord." -- Cheech 4;20

[3 Lombardis]

"Before I was all messed up on drugs... Now I'm all messed up on the Lord." -- Cheech 4;20

I love Cheech ... and salty snacks!

[joetoronto]

Politics and religion don't belong on a football site, period.

[stork44]

No, i rest my case. ive heard enough from not just Jano but other player interviews to make my opionion justified. this was just the icing on the cake. even the body language of the players is noticable. one exclaimed that our celebrations in the endzone are rediculous condsidering we have been a losing team for 8 straight years. show some humility. our Raiders booster club meets on Sundays and these comments were also made by a group of female viewers of the game and player interviews leading up to the season. woman are very sensitive to mens body language. im not saying all the players have too much pride but it is the leading indicator and one of the key elements to failure. just get to work, limit mistakes, and play to win. stop all this talk about we are a good football team. we are not sh-- until we start winning games on a consistant basis against the best teams.

this team use to be loaded with prideful players and all we kept doing was LOSING. CWOOD, Showtime, Jordan, Moss and not to mention #84. even tommy kelly got his ass handed to him last yr. had to lose weight just to be competitive. guess all those steaks took their toll on his game. teams that dont have lots of prideful players do very well growing as a team.

[Raiderjersey]

As he stated, he was referencing the attitude and mentality of one of the players on the raiders, jano. i do believe his quote was taken out of context, i dont think jano was prideful in his statement, but in general, the original poster was correct, pride is what holds people back from knowing the truth, because within a person's pride they develop their own truth based upon their own presuppositions, which is not truth.

in all, i think jano just had a bad day, i cant blame him for missing the 58 yarder and 41 yarder (it happens, rarely) but the last one, wow, dont know what to say about that one, he will probably never miss one of those again. he must learn from his mistakes and get better, that is all he can truly do.

this is true, good assessment. should of made the 41 for 4 mil a yr and maybe even the 58. this team has been losing because of the losing attitude. its well documented by Cable. what that losing attitude was, was negativity. But is well documented also that we had ME players. many have posted about this, its nooo secret. we have rid ourselves of many of them hopefully all.

Now back to Jano, he mentioned monday morning practice which is not part of his regiment. as it stands so far Janikowski has the 6th losest field goal % in the ENTIRE LEAGUE and people here are going to argue about whether he had a bad day. currently only making 62% and has made only 2kicks out of 6 over 40yrds which is ONLY 33%. folks i hate to the bearer of bad news but this is NOT GOOD. if you do the same thing over and over and expect a different result you go insane. something must change and Jano seems to be addressing that. you can argue all you want about why i pulled biblical scripture to support my assessment. but you cannot argue the fact that if he continues in his current regiment and expects a different result he will fail. something has got to change and it starts with you attitude determines your altitude. here is a nice link describing this very thought. now mind you i believe Jano is a good kicker but to be great, is going to take more than just a big leg. hopefully he reaches that full potential.

Spirituality and Sports-Attitude Determines Altitude

[Raiderjersey]

I hate this thread.

one of the great things in life is the ability to have an opinion, which you are entitled to yours. thanks for the post.

[Raiderjersey]

Hey, while we are at it, what does everybody think about abortion? How about the death penalty? What about salty snacks.

This quit having anything to do about football a long time ago. Take it elsewhere guys.

if you could tie those subjects relevance into the subject of the Raiders that would be fine. you may have a valant discussion. i challange you to do that, quite a task for you to work on though, keep us posted, thanks.