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[RAWHEAD]

sorry, can't figure out how to keep cookies off my machine and use this board so had to make a new thread. But this was in response to another thread.

IMO we didn't have a bad coaching staff last year. We had a head coach who wouldn't bow down to the premadonnas. And as much as the firing of callahan (the first coach to take a Raider team to the superbowl in 20 years) was needed, Norv Turner isn't going to do anything different than Callahan tried to implement with Rice and Brown and Gannon and Garner and C wood constantly sucking the life out of him. Callahan will be vindicated when the Raiders lose until all those guys are off the team.

Meanwhile, everyones ok with the hard nosed running and deep passing style of Turner, which Callahan tried to implement.

Quote Tim Brown "Callahan wanted me to run 30 yards down the field!! Hey, I'm 38 years old... I don't want to be running all over the field" That spoke volumes. The inmate took over the asylum and that would have never happened on any other team because there are not as many premadonnnas entering mid life crisis on other teams who got WHACKED in the biggest game of the year.

The way I see this year panning out is fair. We have a few of play makers on defense and a defensive coach who knows how to use them . On offense, unfortunately, we still have "jersey sellers" - Rice, brown, Gannon. And I'm glad we drafted the way we did because the way I see it, this will be an offense that will win games by not making mistakes.

The year we went to the SB we were lucky to play against defenses who ranked in the bottom 10 most of the year which made our offense look great. But when we played against good defenses (Miami, Tampa) they looked like deer in headlights.

This last season was a rebuilding opportunity for the Raiders. they didn't rebuild. IMO we drafted great and addressed some problems. But the offense was ALWAYS the problem even on the run to the superbowl. Not the defense. The defense was a problem last year because IMO Davis looked at it as a throw away season.

So we go with the status quo offense and hopefully have a defense that can stop teams from scoring. Seems like a waste of a 9-7 season to me. I'd rather go 2-14 and see what we got. Or maybe we already "got" and Tui, porter, Gabriel, Teyo and Wheatly will look like the 1999 rams.

Naw, let's not risk it. Better stick with Rice, Brown and Gannon.

[Twisted]

There's one born every minute.

:callyax:

[Touchdown]

Originally Posted by RAWHEAD

IMO we didn't have a bad coaching staff last year.

Callahan= Dumbass, bresnahan= clueless, trestman= idiot, casullo= moron
Who exactly are you refering to on our coaching staff who wasnt bad?? Sure as hell wasnt those 4.

Meanwhile, everyones ok with the hard nosed running and deep passing style of Turner, which Callahan tried to implement.

No, callahan tried to go pass, pass, pass all day with a busted ass oline. Defenders were telling rice which route he was running before the play even started. Thats how predictable we were.
Norv will bring balence back to this offense. He has had productive offenses everywhere he has went. He should be able to do the same here

[kultan]

MO we didn't have a bad coaching staff last year. We had a head coach who wouldn't bow down to the premadonnas. And as much as the firing of callahan (the first coach to take a Raider team to the superbowl in 20 years) was needed, Norv Turner isn't going to do anything different than Callahan tried to implement with Rice and Brown and Gannon and Garner and C wood constantly sucking the life out of him. Callahan will be vindicated when the Raiders lose until all those guys are off the team.

Sorry but whatever credibility you could have had was lost with the opening statement. CAllahan was out coached in every big game. Our talent sometimes won out but he was not a good playcalling coach at all. Now you tell me how a good coach could go into a superbowl knowing that the former head coach knows his audibles and does nothing about it. That is just stupid. As for last year coaches around the league called Gruden up for help with the raiders and napoleon was all to happy to tell them.

Our staff is better and a lot of pressure will be taken off of Ganon this year. Callahan's ego was the problem not the premaddona veterans. He felt he could go into a game and win throwing on every down and didn't respect the defense enough to know that that was stupid. Norv is a way better coach than Callahan and that isnt debatable in most nfl circles.

offense the problem? You call a 4700yd QB a problem. I wish I had those kind of problems. What you seem to forget is nobobdy likes to lose while a team gets it together. NOBODY!

Honestly do you think Sapp, T. Washington. Two guys who've just been to the superbowl in the last two years would have come here if we were rebuilding and trying to go with Tui and a bunch of rooks? They'd have singed with the first team that was seriious about competing. One of the reasons we can attract "quality" FA'sa dn teams like S.D. can't is because teams know we are serious about making a run every year.

[RAWHEAD]

I'm not sure if you guys understand me.

First, we had a team of HOF recievers and an MVP QB going into the superbowl.

Now explain to me how ANY coach would get away with benching those guys in the superbowl OR at the begining of the next season?

It's as obvious as the nose on your face that Gannon, Rice and Brown were the entire reason we lost the SB. Forget what Gruden knew. I've watched that game 20 times.

History are already been written and fans will always look for a scapegoat. As long as it's not on their team.

funny someone said "pass pass pass" . Go look at the stats. You were probably the same who said "hey, passing to garner is just like a run" the previous year. No, we didn't pass last year. We only passed last year to show the premadonnas that they coudn't get it done.

[RAWHEAD]

kultan -

"Honestly do you think Sapp, T. Washington. Two guys who've just been to the superbowl in the last two years would have come here if we were rebuilding and trying to go with Tui and a bunch of rooks?"

No, which is why I've said all along Gannon would probably be the starter. Even though I was trashed on another board by saying Gannon lost the superbowl. And now they crawl out like ****roaches calling for Gannons head. Some people are behind the curve, some people are ahead of it.

Honestly, do you think that because we signed Sapp and Washington, it's an Auto superbowl win? Do they have some sort of predictive powers we don't know about? I didn't realize that whoever signd them would automatically win the superbowl. Maybe I'm missing something. I bet you thought signing Terry McDaniel to a multi million dollar contract was a good thing too.

I look at the Raiders, the game of football and the business behind it. I don't really care what you think of my credibility. Sheep are born every day.

[RAWHEAD]

touchdown - you are SO hindsite. "Pass pass pass" . Oh well I guess it was ok to you when it took us to the superbowl. When exactly did you realize that wasn't the way to go? Was it after the superbowl? Was it after we lost to SF in 2002? And we DIDN'T pass all last year. We had more running plays than the previous year.

When EXACTLY did you realize that passing the ball all the time was going to lead to a 4-12 season? And when did you realize that never passing the ball would actually give us a few wins with the nearly lame recievers and QB we had?

FEAR of our offense is what got us to the superbowl. Our Defense is what got us to the superbowl. It had nothing to do with Gannon , Rice or Brown or Garner. We played fearfull defenses.

No one fears our offense anymore. they might fear lechler, but not our offesnse.

[RaiderShawn]

You seem to be all over the place with your asessements Raw.... allow me to narrow things down a bit.

The former coaching staff was crap. Once the league figured our offense out it was over. Did Callahan ever make an attempt to switch things up? NO... he never tried to establish a running game. Wheat had 152 touches for 643 yds last season with 4.2 yds per attempt, he didn't get nearly enough touches. When Gruden was running his offense Wheat was one of our primary weapons... and we won games. Norv will make sure that Wheat is once again a primary weapon in his offense. Do you remember the Monday night game last year in Denver when Gannon went to the sidelines yelling and screaming at Callahan and Trestman. They looked completely bewildered. I would have chewed their ass too if my coaches weren't making the proper adjustments. Bresnhan was just a complete lost cause. We get a commanding lead in a game and then play conservative on defense? WTF is that all about? Attack, attack, attack! Blitz! change your defensive schemes, keep the offense unbalanced, bring guys in from all over the field to apply pressure and don't let the QB get comfortable. But no... he'd rather play a zone coverage and not blitz, just let the QB sit back and take his time finding a target. The coaching staff was completely suspect last year. By the way, Callahan didn't take them to the Bowl, it was remnants of the Gruden era and the players wanting it that got them there, not the caoching staff.

I don't want to turn this into a flame, but to say we lost the Super Bowl because of Gannon, Garner, Rice and Brown is simply idiotic. Were you watching the same Super Bowl as I was? Our O-line looked like swiss cheese. Simeon Rice owned Barry Sims, not to mention Barry "I want to get a head start on the play" Sims killed a drive or two with false starts. Our Pro Bowl center wigged out and didn't show and Gruden knew every move we were gonna make before we did. I'm sure you've heard it before, but Lynch and the rest of the Buc's D were calling our plays! So to me, your accusations are completely unfounded and if you taped the games last year you might want to watch them again. I think you'll see what I'm talking about. Hell, I didn't even get a chance to mention the 11 or 12 STARTERS that went on the IR list. Callahan and the rest of the coaching staff just didn't utilize what we had, plain and simple.

Other then that, welcome to the boards!

[auroraraider]

CALLAHAN lost the sb, because everyone watching or even heard gruden was the coach that designed the o ( and very well) callahan had to know this as he was with the f$ck'n team then, how in the fricken world do you not have a game plan for the gruden factor, what, gruden forgot all the plays & motions he designed - tampa knew our every move, a good coach would have done the opposite like run for the first 10 or so plays even if it was for little or no gain, not follow the gruden play book with callahans name on it - all you had to was listen to lynch " there running all the play's coach said they would" also gannon had no time, which should have been practiced & simms should of had some help - i personally believe this is why all the gannon bashing is going on, his confidence ruined by a sub par high school coach & propably the worst punt & kick off coverage in the nfl, the d i thought played well until they where on the feild most of the game - if we played philly we no doubt win - my opinion! :callyax: best move made!

[kultan]

It's as obvious as the nose on your face that Gannon, Rice and Brown were the entire reason we lost the SB. Forget what Gruden knew. I've watched that game 20 times.

Once again that is just an unfounded comment. You need to watch that superbowl tape 20 more times. THE MAN COULDN't COMPLETE A THREE STEP DROP without Sims giving up a sack! Name one receiver who has EVER played the game who you can blame for not being able to get open when their QB can't do a simple 3 step drop. There hasn't been one. Game planning, Play calling, was a big problem for that superbowl. If you can look at superbowl video and think that Sims and our line played well enough and that only Ganon, Rice and Brown are to blame then I'll schedule you some laser optic surgery.

Honestly, do you think that because we signed Sapp and Washington, it's an Auto superbowl win? Do they have some sort of predictive powers we don't know about? I didn't realize that whoever signd them would automatically win the superbowl. Maybe I'm missing something. I bet you thought signing Terry McDaniel to a multi million dollar contract was a good thing too.

Of course not but I like our chances a lot better than I did before we signed them. And how in the world could you have gotten that from what I wrote. I said that we are always trying to field competitive teams and that veterans who just came off of the superbowl don't want to go to teams projected to win 6 games behind an inexperienced QB. So yes I guess you were missing "something."

FEAR of our offense is what got us to the superbowl. Our Defense is what got us to the superbowl. It had nothing to do with Gannon , Rice or Brown or Garner. We played fearfull defenses.

This statement has to win an award for something. I don't have the name yet but trust me it isn't flattering. How about this for a thought? It was hard for our defense to be exposed because our offense allowed them to play with a lead frequently. As for saying our top offensive players had nothing to do with us going to the superbowl explain how:

Garner with 962yds 5.3avg 91 rec for 941 yds
Brown with 81 rec for 930 yds
Rice with 92 rec for 1211 yds
Gannon with a 67.6completion % 4689yds 26 TD's and 10 ints

Had less to do with us getting to the superbowl which hello we haven't been to for 20 years than our defense?

People "feared" our offense? I wonder why? Maybe because it was hmmm good. So now we've gone from it's gannon's fault for losing the superbowl along with our old receviers to Gannon and our receivers weren't even the reason why we went to the superbowl it was our defense. HA HAAH HAH! What's next we would have won if Tui started the superbowl along with second stringers?

Stupid, groundless argument but hey welcome aboard. Hope you like it here!

;)

[Rhode Raider]

By the way, Callahan didn't take them to the Bowl, it was remnants of the Gruden era and the players wanting it that got them there, not the caoching staff.

Very true statement indeed.
The problem was that Callahan let the inmates run the ship the whole time and after it fell apart in the big game he made his move to establish his authority which didn't sit too well with most players. Cally could never put his stamp on this team, during his tenure the Raiders were Grudens leftovers. They were a driven team, but they drove themselves, Cally was a figurehead at best. Bresnahan and "good coach" should never be mentioned in the same sentence...it does not compute !

[OakR8rs]

The whole coaching staff was a let down last year - Callahan had minimal respect from his players. The inmates did run the asylum (Or at least attempted to) - This year should be alot different in respects to power on the sidelines. I just hope the individual players who 'Ran' the team can accept the diminished roles that are handed to them.

[83Raiders]

"Hard-nosed Running Game", That would have started after 2 QB's went down and we were close to losing a third. Several games the running game appeared to be working, only to stop at 1/2 time for pass, pass , pass.....even when we were still in the game.

[okieraider]

Now that you have all of your bitching out of the way RAWHEAD, what do you like about the team?