Fun discussion: Ryan or Russell

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Originally Posted by nor_cal_raider7

Now I get it. Your only football knowledge comes from watching espn. Russell has been working out all off season. The first one in and the last one to leave. He showed up to the ota at 265lb I believe but he has added mussel and lost some fat.

Exactly I just visited the Falcons forum and most believe that J.Russ is 300lbs and not a hardwork.

[R8drTahoe]

Between Russell and Ryan I would have to say I'd take DeAngelo Hall.


I mean I'd take Ryan. He's smaller, has a weaker arm, threw more int's in school, etc. I mean he's just the all around better choice.




Just kidding. Russell is the only QB I could justify taking #1 overall since Eli Manning came out of college.

Ryan, yeah I can't justify taking him anywhere in the top 15 picks.

[FalconFan33]

you have to admit, the guy is getting big. Was the article that said he was 300 true ?. Matt Ryan got a 32 on the wonderlic test. That is somebody with a very high IQ, that knows what to do in tough situations. Watch the game vs. Virginia Tech, he marched down the field with virtually NO receivers, TWICE in 2 minutes to beat them. As for the guy that said BC's line was amazing, outside of Gosder Cherilus, Ryan had no blocking (which is why a lot of those 19 interceptions aren't his fault). Russell had ONE good season, as a junior, and was crowned the next big thing. Last year, in the games that Kiffin did let him play, outside of a 2 yard touchdown pass, he didn't look impressive at all (I still take Quinn over Russell in that draft, people worship arm strength). Ryan's interceptions were the big negative, and if it wasn't for that, I think Miami would have taken him number 1 overall. You have to look at all the passes he made, when you throw the majority of the game, you are bound to get interceptions. He had more touchdowns then Russell, and he didn't have Dwayne Bowe, or Davis to throw to. He had no body on defense to help h im out (no LaRon Landry), and carried BC to that number 2 ranking. That is why I think ATL has the advantage at the QB position. (Ryan has Chris Redman to work behind, a very good QB with a nice work ethic, and a good teacher).

[trur8r]

Originally Posted by FalconFan33

you have to admit, the guy is getting big. Was the article that said he was 300 true ?. Matt Ryan got a 32 on the wonderlic test. That is somebody with a very high IQ, that knows what to do in tough situations. Watch the game vs. Virginia Tech, he marched down the field with virtually NO receivers, TWICE in 2 minutes to beat them. As for the guy that said BC's line was amazing, outside of Gosder Cherilus, Ryan had no blocking (which is why a lot of those 19 interceptions aren't his fault). Russell had ONE good season, as a junior, and was crowned the next big thing. Last year, in the games that Kiffin did let him play, outside of a 2 yard touchdown pass, he didn't look impressive at all (I still take Quinn over Russell in that draft, people worship arm strength). Ryan's interceptions were the big negative, and if it wasn't for that, I think Miami would have taken him number 1 overall. You have to look at all the passes he made, when you throw the majority of the game, you are bound to get interceptions. He had more touchdowns then Russell, and he didn't have Dwayne Bowe, or Davis to throw to. He had no body on defense to help h im out (no LaRon Landry), and carried BC to that number 2 ranking. That is why I think ATL has the advantage at the QB position. (Ryan has Chris Redman to work behind, a very good QB with a nice work ethic, and a good teacher).

Are you serious?? The Wonderlic Test? They have ? like what's 2+2, that doesn't say much about how a QB can manage a game and be a leader.

Keep on believing the media about Russell's weight. We'll see how fat he really is this year.

[Anotharaiderfan]

Originally Posted by FalconFan33

you have to admit, the guy is getting big. Was the article that said he was 300 true ?. [B} Matt Ryan got a 32 on the wonderlic test.[/B}
[/b] So did Ryan Leaf a bunch of other no Talented really smart guys. Whats your point? Favre scored in the low teens, Russell scored a 24. [/b]
That is somebody with a very high IQ, that knows what to do in tough situations. Watch the game vs. Virginia Tech, he marched down the field with virtually NO receivers, TWICE in 2 minutes to beat them. As for the guy that said BC's line was amazing, outside of Gosder Cherilus, Ryan had no blocking (which is why a lot of those 19 interceptions aren't his fault). Russell had ONE good season, as a junior, and was crowned the next big thing.

Matt Ryan has never had a good season unless you consider 19int's and 31td's great in the ACC.

Last year, in the games that Kiffin did let him play, outside of a 2 yard touchdown pass, he didn't look impressive at all (I still take Quinn over Russell in that draft, people worship arm strength).
I guess you missed this play. Something Matt Ryan or any other QB could do.
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Ryan's interceptions were the big negative, and if it wasn't for that, I think Miami would have taken him number 1 overall. You have to look at all the passes he made, when you throw the majority of the game, you are bound to get interceptions. He had more touchdowns then Russell, and he didn't have Dwayne Bowe, or Davis to throw to. He had no body on defense to help h im out (no LaRon Landry), and carried BC to that number 2 ranking. That is why I think ATL has the advantage at the QB position. (Ryan has Chris Redman to work behind, a very good QB with a nice work ethic, and a good teacher).

Chris Redmen a good teacher? Come on man.

[FalconFan33]

I can't wait until we play Oakland. Hopefully Ryan is starting by then over Redman, and we can really see who is the true winner.

russell had a lot of size and talent, but he only had to carry his team on his back a handfull of times and when he did, he lost all but 1. he had THE most talented team in the nation the years he played in LSU (yes, they WERE "THE most talented team in the nation" brought in by nick saban and coached mediocre by miles). by all seriousness, he should have been undefeated in his stint as starter at LSU but he did have occasions of crumbling when asked to carry his team. i thought this last year and still do think that if OAK had traded down to 13, (or even pick CJ at #1 and trade back up in the first like they did in last years FFMD) that they could pick up JR were he should have been drafted. shure he had a monster cannon and displayed good accuracy on the occasion, but he didn't really play well and relied on his supporting cast more then his own talent.

on the other hand, ryan has everything and more except being 6'7, overweight, and have the arm strength to chuck the ball 70 yards on his knees. ryan HAS led his team to victory (basically all of his career and if he didn't play great, they lost) ryan didn't play in a gimmik passing game like russell did and ryan actually breaks down a defense. i truely would take ryan over russell and i would take ryan at #3 without blinking.

[YoungLegend]

LOl trying to pin those 37 int's on his supporting cast. ONly a falcon fan would say that. He threw those ints cause he was making bad choices. Well seeing how Matt Ryan played a year and a half more in college then Russell I sure hope he threw more TD's . But ill take 43 Td's 17 Int's over 46 Td's and 37 int's. Russell had the better CMP%..played against way better teams..and i find it funny that you say Russell and that 1 year.. are you looking past Matt Ryan and his 1 year.. Make sure what you are talking about before you post it. He was the number 1 QB by default .

LOl did you just say Chris Redman..

[FalconFan33]

Originally Posted by YoungLegend

LOl trying to pin those 37 int's on his supporting cast. ONly a falcon fan would say that. He threw those ints cause he was making bad choices. Well seeing how Matt Ryan played a year and a half more in college then Russell I sure hope he threw more TD's . But ill take 43 Td's 17 Int's over 46 Td's and 37 int's. Russell had the better CMP%..played against way better teams..and i find it funny that you say Russell and that 1 year.. are you looking past Matt Ryan and his 1 year.. Make sure what you are talking about before you post it. He was the number 1 QB by default .

LOl did you just say Chris Redman..

yes, I did say Chris Redman. You know, the QB that won week 17 offensive player of the week after throwing 4 TD's, and had a 10/5 TD/INT ratio after only playing 5 games with a dead football team. He kept us alive those last weeks of football, and I'd take him over Andrew Walter, McCown, or Daunte Culpepper (I almost laughed using those 3 QB's in the same sentence, I wonder how bad it is to have them all on the same depth chart ).

[R8drTahoe]

Good for you! I guess it's a good thing that your Falcons picked Ryan then.

You know what is really going to happen?

We'll have to wait and see. As of now, they're both just starting their careers and JR has the upper hand only because he's actually played in like 1.6 games in the NFL.

[YoungLegend]

Originally Posted by FalconFan33

yes, I did say Chris Redman. You know, the QB that won week 17 offensive player of the week after throwing 4 TD's, and had a 10/5 TD/INT ratio after only playing 5 games with a dead football team. He kept us alive those last weeks of football, and I'd take him over Andrew Walter, McCown, or Daunte Culpepper (I almost laughed using those 3 QB's in the same sentence, I wonder how bad it is to have them all on the same depth chart ).

The career back up the Career camp body? that Chris Redman.

[FalconFan33]

Originally Posted by YoungLegend

The career back up the Career camp body? that Chris Redman.

the career back up camp body ?, that sounds like every QB on the Raiders roster not named JaMarcus. I gave you a great example on why he's a good QB, looking at his numbers last year, and you go right past the facts and say something stupid like that. I'm not saying he's our franchise QB, that's why we drafted Ryan, but he will be a good mentor for the first few weeks when Matt's getting ready. Unlike J Russell, Ryan wants to play football, and isn't considered about a giant contract. He wants to get into camp and practice with his new team, hopefully he'll be able to read the playbook fluently too (no pun intended JaMarcus.)

[YoungLegend]

The Chris "the god" Redman that got cut how many times by the Raiders.. Go back to the Falcons board cause ur come backs are weak and there you can talk about how big of a god chris redman is. OMG he won player on the week OMG. He is so great move over T.Brady and P.Manning Chris"The God" Redman is taking over. and his sidekick Matt Ryan.

[FalconFan33]

Originally Posted by YoungLegend

The Chris "the god" Redman that got cut how many times by the Raiders.. Go back to the Falcons board cause ur come backs are weak and there you can talk about how big of a god chris redman is. OMG he won player on the week OMG.

quote me when I said he was a God, or anything above that. You are making assumptions, you've been making assumptions since I started posting. All I said was that he would be a decent starting QB until Ryan gets warmed up, and a good mentor. Russell screwed himself, because he was thinking contract first, football second, Ryan actually wants to go out and play with his team. Some players look at football as a business, that's great, Matt Ryan looks at it as a game. Go bag on Redman all you want, but I'd rather have him mentor me then any of the Raiders trashy QB's (Andrew Walter could teach Russell how to play the statue game).