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Thread: The Enigma that is Derek Carr

  1. #281

    Do a little research

    Quote Originally Posted by Vioraider View Post
    The market sets the price. You are completely out of touch with your numbers. Keep up your thesis though, even though you will be disappointed again next season.
    What are the Seahawks paying Geno Smith?

    $3.5M

    Did Smith outperform Carr yesterday?

    Yep.

    What are Justin Herbert and Trevor Lawrence earning?

    They are on rookie contracts and earning less than $8M and 10M per year.

    What are we paying Derek Carr on his current contract?

    His contract averages $40M per year.

    Is Carr worth that number?

    The fact is that you pay $40M and $50M for an elite QB who elevates the play of those around him, but you don’t pay this amount unless he is truly elite, which means he will produce a consistent winner.

    Draft an elite rookie QB, build a team around him and then pay him when and if he produces.

    It all comes down to the return on the investment. That is the NFL of today.

    Carr has not produced winners and he is playing the most vital position for any position in any sport. If you have an elite QB you have a chance every year.

  2. #282
    We need a better defense for sure. One way of bringing in better talent is to trade or cut Carr so we don't take a big hit with his contract next year. Maybe get a dominant DT to collapse that pocket. We tried getting a big name defensive guy with Chandler Jones, they say he's doing well, just not getting the sack production that he's known for, but we still need more help on the front four. Billings and Nichols did a great job last game and it made a difference in the opponents run game and they even got some pressures and a sack too. No matter how good your DBs are, they can't cover forever if there is no pressure in the face of the QB.

    We also need LBs that can cover the passing lanes. I thought Jayon Brown was going to be that guy, but I guess not.

  3. #283
    Carr is making $19,375,000 this season.
    Next season, he will make: $34,875,000 provided he is on the roster but the Raiders can cut him at a dead cap hit of $5,625,000.


    Quote Originally Posted by raiderman41 View Post

    What are the Seahawks paying Geno Smith?

    $3.5M

    Did Smith outperform Carr yesterday?

    Yep.

    What are Justin Herbert and Trevor Lawrence earning?

    They are on rookie contracts and earning less than $8M and 10M per year.

    What are we paying Derek Carr on his current contract?

    His contract averages $40M per year.

    Is Carr worth that number?

    The fact is that you pay $40M and $50M for an elite QB who elevates the play of those around him, but you don’t pay this amount unless he is truly elite, which means he will produce a consistent winner.

    Draft an elite rookie QB, build a team around him and then pay him when and if he produces.

    It all comes down to the return on the investment. That is the NFL of today.

    Carr has not produced winners and he is playing the most vital position for any position in any sport. If you have an elite QB you have a chance every year.

  4. #284
    agree, time to trade him off for a 1st and draft a rookie to take over, our offensive weapons are already in place, oline is playing much better and next yr will be even better leaving us to improve on defense only

  5. #285
    Quote Originally Posted by Vioraider View Post
    This whole thread is nothing but petulant. Sorry if mine was offensive to you. Iíd say thereís a very minimal chance that there will be a different qb next year. Nobody can seem to accept it and move on. I donít diminish anyone for speaking their point of view. I at least appreciate you doing so like an adult.
    Fair enough. Lets see how this plays out

  6. #286
    Quote Originally Posted by mstrbass2000 View Post
    agree, time to trade him off for a 1st and draft a rookie to take over, our offensive weapons are already in place, oline is playing much better and next yr will be even better leaving us to improve on defense only
    A rookie as the 49ers are finding out, won't take you to the promised land. In order to reach there one has to trade for an accomplished veteran. Aaron Rodgers if he wants a change of scenery may be that veteran. The question is what would it take to get him?

  7. #287
    Quote Originally Posted by silver_ghost View Post
    A rookie as the 49ers are finding out, won't take you to the promised land. In order to reach there one has to trade for an accomplished veteran. Aaron Rodgers if he wants a change of scenery may be that veteran. The question is what would it take to get him?
    well, the niners screwed up trading up to get a guy with basically 1 yr of experience as a starter, we would not make that same mistake hopefully and grab one of the top 3 qbs in the draft and let it ride on a rookie deal surrounded by supreme pieces all the while building a good defense

  8. #288
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    Quote Originally Posted by mstrbass2000 View Post
    well, the niners screwed up trading up to get a guy with basically 1 yr of experience as a starter, we would not make that same mistake hopefully and grab one of the top 3 qbs in the draft and let it ride on a rookie deal surrounded by supreme pieces all the while building a good defense
    I agree. The top QBs in the 2023 draft are far from a sure thing IMO.

  9. #289
    Even if we get one of the "elite" qb's in the draft, odds are that means another losing season in the books "until next year". I'd rather put a serviceable stop gap QB in place and ease the rookie qb along, much like Reid did Mahomes. That way you can realistically "win now" AND plan for the future. Im tired of the losing seasons and "wait til next season" crap.

  10. #290

    The best case scenario

    Quote Originally Posted by Bama_Raider View Post
    Even if we get one of the "elite" qb's in the draft, odds are that means another losing season in the books "until next year". I'd rather put a serviceable stop gap QB in place and ease the rookie qb along, much like Reid did Mahomes. That way you can realistically "win now" AND plan for the future. Im tired of the losing seasons and "wait til next season" crap.
    Draft an elite QB.

    Sign a veteran game manager QB.

    Trade Carr for picks.

    Use cap savings to rebuild defense.

    Vet QB starts first half of year, rookie starts the second half if ready.

    We make playoffs in 2023 and are set for the future.

    This is how you build a team that wins consistently.

    Instead, we paid Carr after his first three years. We signed him earlier this year to another extension. He has not produced and his salary handicaps our ability to sign players.

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