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Thread: The Enigma that is Derek Carr

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bama_Raider View Post
    I doubt McDaniels is fired after one season, so I'm expecting a firesale of players in a complete rebuild.....again. Carr is not a franchise QB, so my guess is he's the first one that's gone after this season. But the biggest problem this team has is Mark Davis.
    I think he will be fired if we win less than 6 games, but with Davis you never know, he probably keep McDaniels and Carr around next season.

  2. #202

    No it is not all the fault of Derek Carr

    Quote Originally Posted by RaiderBeliever View Post
    I'd take a highly drafted qb. But your problem is blaming Carr for everything post after post. You know as well as I the TEAM is losing.
    I cannot tell you how many times I have written that the losses are not all on Carr.

    If you surround him with a top 5 offensive line, top 5 receivers, top 5 running game and top 5 defense he will win for us.

    But no team can do this in the NFL today because of the salary cap.

    So, you either try to build an entire team to surround our game manager QB, or you draft or trade for an elite QB who elevates the play of those around him.

    There is something in the make up of Derek Carr that prevents him from being elite. We know he lacks pocket awareness and also cannot extend plays with his legs. His makeup is such that he cannot get his teammates to reach down deep for that little extra. That is evident to anyone who knows the game. Carr is a nice guy, maybe too nice of a guy. Brady is an asshole. Rodgers is an asshole. Carr is a nice guy.

    Carr had probably the best offensive line in the league at one point. He now has what should be the best receiving corps in the league. He struggled to win then and he is struggling now. He has had opportunities.

    Carr throws for a lot of yards but few TDs. An analysis I did last year showed that he was elite at turning yards into TD passes his first three years in the league (pre injury) but has regressed to being mediocre since then. Mitchell Tribusky was more adept at turning passing yards into TD passes I found in my analysis.

    And this is a passing league designed to make it easier to pass for TDs than run for them.

    All of these factors point to one glaring fact. The Raiders will never be a consistent winning franchise with Carr at the helm. Never.

    Every year will be the same thing. Flashes of excellence followed by periods of mediocrity and losing.

    How many years have we seen it now?

    If you cannot see thisÂ…

    Fan since 1967.

  3. #203
    Agreed . Carr is another Carson Palmer. Palmer could put up yards but could never win. He did just enough to be considered a top qb, but he never amounted to anything than a good fantasy qb

  4. #204

    Carr is just not elite

    Quote Originally Posted by raider jim View Post
    Agreed . Carr is another Carson Palmer. Palmer could put up yards but could never win. He did just enough to be considered a top qb, but he never amounted to anything than a good fantasy qb
    I heard a statistic over the weekend that Kirk Cousins ran for his 19th career TD. He definitely is not a mobile QB but uses his legs at times to keep defenses honest. Defenses at least know that Cousins will take off and run it in.

    I wondered how many rushing TDs Carr has. I see Carr as much more athletic than Cousins.

    Carr has rushed for 6 TDs in his entire career.

    Defenses see this in the red zone. They never have to account for Carr running the ball. He is not going to run it in.

    6 rushing TDs in how many seasons?

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    Quote Originally Posted by raiderman41 View Post
    I heard a statistic over the weekend that Kirk Cousins ran for his 19th career TD. He definitely is not a mobile QB but uses his legs at times to keep defenses honest. Defenses at least know that Cousins will take off and run it in.

    I wondered how many rushing TDs Carr has. I see Carr as much more athletic than Cousins.

    Carr has rushed for 6 TDs in his entire career.

    Defenses see this in the red zone. They never have to account for Carr running the ball. He is not going to run it in.

    6 rushing TDs in how many seasons?
    He saw too much of his brother getting pounded. Got into a Fresno office which dictated where he would go pre snap.....never shook that training in the NFL...yes he would he would have game here or there where he dashes for 20, or hangs on to the ball a split second to delivery the perfect pass....but that is few and far between. Niner-Ram game, Stafford had no option but to run the ball, ran over someone to score....that is he type of play that will win your teammates. Carr fumbles it through the end zone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by raiderman41 View Post
    I heard a statistic over the weekend that Kirk Cousins ran for his 19th career TD. He definitely is not a mobile QB but uses his legs at times to keep defenses honest. Defenses at least know that Cousins will take off and run it in.

    I wondered how many rushing TDs Carr has. I see Carr as much more athletic than Cousins.

    Carr has rushed for 6 TDs in his entire career.

    Defenses see this in the red zone. They never have to account for Carr running the ball. He is not going to run it in.

    6 rushing TDs in how many seasons?
    I do know Carr fumbled through the endzone twice.

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    That says a lot doesn't it?

    He can't learn.

    You would think he would do it once he would have it in his mind to not do it again.

    I think Carr's deficiencies are:

    -Not too bright
    -Lacks instincts
    -Plays afraid
    -Lacks pocket awareness
    -Rarely moves to buy time even though he is more athletic than other QBs who do this regularly
    -Is not a fiery, inspirational leader who can inspire teammates to elevate their play
    -Is slow making his reads and making decisions
    -Crumbles under a little pressure (if a defender gets a hand on him he's going down)

  8. #208

    Some still don't see it

    Quote Originally Posted by xramfan View Post
    Carr got paid and then lost any heart he had. He's a fraud. All his weaknesses that were noted coming out of college still ride him today. The last 12 games he has regressed horribly. His feet and hips were all over the place yesterday. Still making rookie mistakes. He plays scared. Hes mentally weak and a coach killer. The TURD needs to go.
    If you think about it, the most important player on any team is the QB. He touches the ball every offensive play. He reads defenses and is supposed to put his players in the best position. If he's accurate, he can place the ball so that a receiver can gain 2, 3, 10, 20 and even more yards because the receiver can catch the ball and move down the field. NFL is a game of inches and split seconds. A QB who can hold the ball that extra split second or move in the pocket to buy another half second can turn an incompletion into a TD.

    So, in all of our losing seasons the past several years, we've had different coaches, different offenses, different offensive coordinators, different defensive coordinators, different receivers and offensive lines.

    The one constant has been Derek Carr.

    And we've lost consistently.

    Is it all on Derek Carr? Nope.

    He is a "game manager" QB, which means that to win consistently with him you have to surround him with an exceptional roster, a great offensive line, a great running game and a defense to back him up. The two games we've won were because our offensive line and running game dominated. The same thing happened last year to get us into the playoffs. Our running game excelled and even our defense excelled. Our passing game in those key games were mediocre -- below average when you look at the rest of the league.

    In our two winning games this year and our run to the playoffs last year, Derek Carr didn't have to excel. He had to manage the game and not play stupid. And we won, because the rest of the team excelled.

    Anyone who has played or watched any football for years knows what his deficiencies are. Shoot, my teenage stepson told me four years ago that Derek Carr is not an elite QB. He knew. I knew. Derek Carr is a game manager. He is nowhere close to being in the Tom Brady, Patrick Mahomes, Justin Herbert mold.

    We will continue to be a consistent loser as long as Derek Carr remains our starting QB.

    I would much rather start over and have a chance at being a consistent winning franchise than continue to stick with Carr and hope that someway, someday, Carr will finally "get it' and we will surround him with a roster that allows him to be a consistent winner.

  9. #209
    I used to criticize Carr back in 2017 and got flack for it. Only now others have really started to criticize Carr. I called Carr a coach destroyer earlier this year in FIBs post and he threw a hissy fit. I'm glad others are finally seeing what I've been seeing. Tired of seeing all the stats that say Carr is a great QB, many times stats don't always tell the tale. Now Carr is pretty much blaming the coach, saying I'm just putting the ball where the coach wants me to. And hes now repeating the same things McDaniels is saying about how practice is really important. He is a coach pleaser as well as a destroyer. He kills his coaches with a smile in a roundabout way.

    A lot of fans are scared to change QBs because there isn't anyone out there as good as Carr. Well we know what we got with Carr and it's not going to get us to the next level, so why stick with him? We just need to surround him with better talent. We have been trying to do that all these years, how's that working? The receivers can't get enough separation. That is true, but only for Carr, he needs a 3 yds separation for him to feel comfortable. Adams said even if he's double covered Carr should throw him the ball, but Carr will rarely do that, only if he's pressured and needs to get rid of it quickly.

    McDaniels is the problem and he needs to be fired. That's been the mantra for every HC with Carr. Admittedly, some of McDaniels calls have been suspect, but many of his plays have been very good. But either the ball was dropped, players getting in the way of each other, not being able to stay in bounds, passes thrown into triple coverage, passes overthrown or underthrown, etc...For me it's difficult to even assess McDaniel's offense with the way the receivers and QB have been playing.

  10. #210

    I look at it this way

    Quote Originally Posted by DARAIDAHS View Post
    I used to criticize Carr back in 2017 and got flack for it. Only now others have really started to criticize Carr. I called Carr a coach destroyer earlier this year in FIBs post and he threw a hissy fit. I'm glad others are finally seeing what I've been seeing. Tired of seeing all the stats that say Carr is a great QB, many times stats don't always tell the tale. Now Carr is pretty much blaming the coach, saying I'm just putting the ball where the coach wants me to. And hes now repeating the same things McDaniels is saying about how practice is really important. He is a coach pleaser as well as a destroyer. He kills his coaches with a smile in a roundabout way.

    A lot of fans are scared to change QBs because there isn't anyone out there as good as Carr. Well we know what we got with Carr and it's not going to get us to the next level, so why stick with him? We just need to surround him with better talent. We have been trying to do that all these years, how's that working? The receivers can't get enough separation. That is true, but only for Carr, he needs a 3 yds separation for him to feel comfortable. Adams said even if he's double covered Carr should throw him the ball, but Carr will rarely do that, only if he's pressured and needs to get rid of it quickly.


    McDaniels is the problem and he needs to be fired. That's been the mantra for every HC with Carr. Admittedly, some of McDaniels calls have been suspect, but many of his plays have been very good. But either the ball was dropped, players getting in the way of each other, not being able to stay in bounds, passes thrown into triple coverage, passes overthrown or underthrown, etc...For me it's difficult to even assess McDaniel's offense with the way the receivers and QB have been playing.
    McDaniels was the OC for how many Super Bowl winning teams? How many playoff games did his teams win when he was OC? Did he suddenly become an idiot leading our offense as HC?

    How many playoff games has Derek Carr won? How many Super Bowls?

    So, which one deserves the benefit of the doubt?

    You see it. I see it.

    So many fans are afraid to make a change because we might become worse?

    What is our current record?

    I would rather go 2-15 this year and select an ultra talented, franchise QB than finish the season at 6-11 and face the same Carr issues next year.

    It is time for a change.

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