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  1. #11
    I wish he would transfer that irritation to a chip on his shoulder and freakin play with some anger and passion FFS...But its too late imo..And 4000 yards and 25 tds arent the stats it used to be..But with respect to both sides on this subject, its the things inside the stats that have reared its ugly head..
    Fu#k The Rest

  2. #12
    Quote Originally Posted by mstrbass2000 View Post
    sad that people think the wonderlic test shows how smart a guy is does anyone know what his gpa was ??? was he a D student ??? or an A student ??? SAYING GOD DIDN'T BLESS HIM WITH THE GREATEST MIND DUE TO A WONDERLIC SCORE OF 20 IS NUTS !!!
    Definitely not based on his wonderlic score alone, that's just the tip of the iceberg. Listening to the guy speak, there's no real substance. Just a bunch of generic hyperbole, no real critical thinking behind his words, just cheerleader type jargon and emotional responses. You look at the way he plays the game, his decision making his atrocious and he cannot get through progressions for the life of him. Carr is nothing but work ethic, and arm talent. He also has wheels, but his mental weakness doesn't allow him to capitalize on that asset.

    Speaking of academia, he attended Fresno State (a school in the central valley with poor academic rankings) and majored in "recreation administration and leisure services management" lol where a student gets an A for showing up to class. He knew his college degree would never really matter considering his brother made millions in the NFL, and he was more than likely headed towards the NFL himself. It's not as if he was taking classes at UC Berkeley, UCLA, Michigan, Univ of Virginia, Stanford, Notre Dame, etc..nobody is faulting his work ethic or commitment because the guy looks like he works hard but that's not enough to lead a team to playoff success.

    Lastly, the wonderlic is obviously not the holy grail, but NFL draft prospects don't take it lightly because it does effect their draft stock/evaluation process to some degree, otherwise the exam wouldn't be administered all together. Again, Carr's score of 20 would have been dead last in the 2019 NFL draft and his lack of play-making ability with his legs means that he has nothing to counter that lack of mental fortitude.

  3. #13
    Quote Originally Posted by Garner25 View Post
    I wish he would transfer that irritation to a chip on his shoulder and freakin play with some anger and passion FFS...But its too late imo..And 4000 yards and 25 tds arent the stats it used to be..But with respect to both sides on this subject, its the things inside the stats that have reared its ugly head..
    This article is from 2016 and it's amazing how spot on it is..


    https://www.si.com/nfl/2016/11/02/nf...akland-raiders

    The Raiders are 6-2 and their quarterback has thrown 17 touchdowns and just three interceptions. Some people are even throwing his name around in MVP conversations. But the film tells a different story

    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    Want to know the really good news, Raiders fans? Not only is your team 6-2 and hosting its first network prime-time game since 2003, it’s 6-2 despite the fact that quarterback Derek Carr hadn’t played particularly well until last Sunday.

    After throwing for four touchdowns and 513 yards in last week’s overtime win against the Bucs, Carr’s name is being floated in MVP discussions. But that’s only because people feel they’re supposed to do that whenever a QB on a winning team has big numbers. The Raiders are tied for first, and Carr has 17 touchdowns and just three interceptions this season.

    The coronation seems natural, but the film tells a different story. What’s been apparent almost every week (except last Sunday) is that Carr’s accuracy is improving but still isn’t always commensurate with his considerable arm talent. Uneven drop-back footwork is often to blame. Carr can sometimes get away with it because he is a fluid, athletic thrower who can sling fastballs or float touch passes. But too often he misses on many routine throws.

    Let’s be clear before the Twitter rampages ensue: all of this analysis falls under the banner of The Higher Standard that Carr should be held to. He’s gifted enough to one day become a top-tier QB, but he’s not there yet. He must sharpen his play.

    Also apparent on film: there are snaps almost every week when Carr doesn’t read the field clearly or patiently. The pace with which he makes his reads can be erratic. At times Carr goes too fast, abandoning good reads before open receivers materialize. Other times he stays on bad reads too long, which leads to other open receivers being missed. These are critical mistakes that cannot be captured by any statistical metric, no matter how “advanced.” And they’re the types of mistakes that you almost never see from a Tom Brady, a Drew Brees or a Ben Roethlisberger.

    A good (and glaring) example came two weeks ago, at Jacksonville, on the first play following a muffed punt recovery by the Raiders. This happened on first-and-10, a scenario in which a quarterback should never anticipate being under pressure. There was no reason for Carr to accelerate his mental process here.

    Given the handful of plays like this that Carr has had each week, it’s fair to say that his results have been positive in terms of wins and statistics, but his process has been too shaky for the Raiders’ success to be sustained. Carr must improve or 2016 will ultimately go down as just a fun first half of the season for Oakland.

  4. #14
    Quote Originally Posted by Garner25 View Post
    I wish he would transfer that irritation to a chip on his shoulder and freakin play with some anger and passion FFS...But its too late imo..And 4000 yards and 25 tds arent the stats it used to be..But with respect to both sides on this subject, its the things inside the stats that have reared its ugly head..
    Agreed, the David Carr early training, is way too ingrained in him to change.

    Chris Simms feels the real Jon Gruden has not shown up. With all the DC crap, Simms is surprised Gruden has not lit into Carr at all.

  5. #15
    Sadly, Carr is still living off of the mainly fluke 2016 season.

    After years of futility we were ecstatic to see the Raiders winning again and hoped that DC could be our franchise QB. We thought we had someone that could develop into a leader capable of elevating the team and overcoming adversity. Carr was rewarded accordingly. He was given a contract that made him, at the time, the highest paid QB in the NFL.

    Turned out we were wrong.

    Carr hasn't improved. I don't give a fuck what the statistics say.

    He's still a one read pussy that's more interested in getting rid of the ball quickly than he is in making a play and winning.

    If anything, Carr has regressed. He plays scared. He'd rather turf the ball on 3rd and 3 than try to run for a first down.

    I'm not making this stuff up just to bash Carr. Take a look at the 3rd and short play with 4 minutes remaining in the 3rd quarter in the season finale against Denver.

    Carr turfs the ball when he could have easily ran for a first down. Gruden looked like he was about to lose his mind. The radio sideline reporter said that Gruden asked Carr 'WTF are you doing ?'.

    This play epitomizes Pussyboy in a nutshell.

    This play is actually WORSE than absurdly throwing the ball away on 4th down. The 4th down throw aways came in games that were already lost. As mind numbingly idiotic as the 4th down throw aways were, they didn't really affect the outcome of the game. The 3rd down turfing in Denver came at a time when the Raiders could have easily won the game. Just needed a QB that would make a play instead of folding like a PUSSY.

    If this was just one isolated singular instance of Carr pulling this crap, it wouldn't be worth mentioning or griping about. But it's not. We see it repeatedly. Time and time again.

    Yet there are still those that cling to the hope that Gruden is going to be able to coach the pussy out of Carr. They like to think that if Carr had an All Pro WR to throw to that things will change.

    I'm here to tell you that things aren't going to substantially change. Carr will still be Carr.

    Leopards don't change their spots. Mediocre pussies don't grow balls.

    Time to move on.

  6. #16

    Spot on

    Quote Originally Posted by DoctorRaider View Post
    This article is from 2016 and it's amazing how spot on it is..


    https://www.si.com/nfl/2016/11/02/nf...akland-raiders

    The Raiders are 6-2 and their quarterback has thrown 17 touchdowns and just three interceptions. Some people are even throwing his name around in MVP conversations. But the film tells a different story

    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    Want to know the really good news, Raiders fans? Not only is your team 6-2 and hosting its first network prime-time game since 2003, itís 6-2 despite the fact that quarterback Derek Carr hadnít played particularly well until last Sunday.

    After throwing for four touchdowns and 513 yards in last weekís overtime win against the Bucs, Carrís name is being floated in MVP discussions. But thatís only because people feel theyíre supposed to do that whenever a QB on a winning team has big numbers. The Raiders are tied for first, and Carr has 17 touchdowns and just three interceptions this season.

    The coronation seems natural, but the film tells a different story. Whatís been apparent almost every week (except last Sunday) is that Carrís accuracy is improving but still isnít always commensurate with his considerable arm talent. Uneven drop-back footwork is often to blame. Carr can sometimes get away with it because he is a fluid, athletic thrower who can sling fastballs or float touch passes. But too often he misses on many routine throws.

    Letís be clear before the Twitter rampages ensue: all of this analysis falls under the banner of The Higher Standard that Carr should be held to. Heís gifted enough to one day become a top-tier QB, but heís not there yet. He must sharpen his play.

    Also apparent on film: there are snaps almost every week when Carr doesnít read the field clearly or patiently. The pace with which he makes his reads can be erratic. At times Carr goes too fast, abandoning good reads before open receivers materialize. Other times he stays on bad reads too long, which leads to other open receivers being missed. These are critical mistakes that cannot be captured by any statistical metric, no matter how ďadvanced.Ē And theyíre the types of mistakes that you almost never see from a Tom Brady, a Drew Brees or a Ben Roethlisberger.

    A good (and glaring) example came two weeks ago, at Jacksonville, on the first play following a muffed punt recovery by the Raiders. This happened on first-and-10, a scenario in which a quarterback should never anticipate being under pressure. There was no reason for Carr to accelerate his mental process here.

    Given the handful of plays like this that Carr has had each week, itís fair to say that his results have been positive in terms of wins and statistics, but his process has been too shaky for the Raidersí success to be sustained. Carr must improve or 2016 will ultimately go down as just a fun first half of the season for Oakland.
    Same as 2016. Hasnít improved.

  7. #17
    I like the part where he says "C'mom man...whens it going to end"? referring to the rumors. Well..lets see. It will end when you start WINNING. How's that? Stop turfing the ball on 4th down. Start extending plays with your legs? Stop getting rid of the ball so quickly. Were all SICK TO DEATH!!! of watching you throw a 3 yard pass on 3rd and 10. But I know the situation can't be fixed. You will be almost 29........and we all know what he is. Mediocre. And it befuddles me that there are some Raider fans that have accepted that. And will continue to make excuses and want him back. SMFH LOL

  8. #18
    Quote Originally Posted by DonkeyHater View Post
    I like the part where he says "C'mom man...whens it going to end"? referring to the rumors. Well..lets see. It will end when you start WINNING. How's that? Stop turfing the ball on 4th down. Start extending plays with your legs? Stop getting rid of the ball so quickly. Were all SICK TO DEATH!!! of watching you throw a 3 yard pass on 3rd and 10. But I know the situation can't be fixed. You will be almost 29........and we all know what he is. Mediocre. And it befuddles me that there are some Raider fans that have accepted that. And will continue to make excuses and want him back. SMFH LOL
    ^THIS^

    Answering Pussyboy's question of 'when's it going to end ?' is pretty easy.

    The answer is.....SOONER THAN HE THINKS.

    LMAO @ Pussyboy insisting he's 'going to take every snap in Vegas until he's done'.

    If he asks 'how will this end ?', that's even easier.

    With Raider fans celebrating him getting kicked to the curb.

    Can't happen quickly enough.

    ABC

  9. #19
    On a different note, was surprised they didnt have Mad Maxx or Ferrell at the Vegas announcement.. wonder if they were invited?
    Or even more surprised Charles Woodson wasnt there... maybe also Gannon and Tim Brown?
    Last edited by ThePantyRaider; 01-24-2020 at 03:48 AM.

  10. #20
    Quote Originally Posted by RAIDERMAN818 View Post
    Sadly, Carr is still living off of the mainly fluke 2016 season.

    After years of futility we were ecstatic to see the Raiders winning again and hoped that DC could be our franchise QB. We thought we had someone that could develop into a leader capable of elevating the team and overcoming adversity. Carr was rewarded accordingly. He was given a contract that made him, at the time, the highest paid QB in the NFL.

    Turned out we were wrong.

    Carr hasn't improved. I don't give a fuck what the statistics say.

    He's still a one read pussy that's more interested in getting rid of the ball quickly than he is in making a play and winning.

    If anything, Carr has regressed. He plays scared. He'd rather turf the ball on 3rd and 3 than try to run for a first down.

    I'm not making this stuff up just to bash Carr. Take a look at the 3rd and short play with 4 minutes remaining in the 3rd quarter in the season finale against Denver.

    Carr turfs the ball when he could have easily ran for a first down. Gruden looked like he was about to lose his mind. The radio sideline reporter said that Gruden asked Carr 'WTF are you doing ?'.

    This play epitomizes Pussyboy in a nutshell.

    This play is actually WORSE than absurdly throwing the ball away on 4th down. The 4th down throw aways came in games that were already lost. As mind numbingly idiotic as the 4th down throw aways were, they didn't really affect the outcome of the game. The 3rd down turfing in Denver came at a time when the Raiders could have easily won the game. Just needed a QB that would make a play instead of folding like a PUSSY.

    If this was just one isolated singular instance of Carr pulling this crap, it wouldn't be worth mentioning or griping about. But it's not. We see it repeatedly. Time and time again.

    Yet there are still those that cling to the hope that Gruden is going to be able to coach the pussy out of Carr. They like to think that if Carr had an All Pro WR to throw to that things will change.

    I'm here to tell you that things aren't going to substantially change. Carr will still be Carr.

    Leopards don't change their spots. Mediocre pussies don't grow balls.

    Time to move on.
    I'd pay a lot of money to see that in person..

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