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  1. #31
    Quote Originally Posted by Vioraider View Post
    No, I think the term you’re looking for, is Carr hating douche. And yes, that’s YOU. But you do you
    Try to keep up. I called YOU a condescending douche. Why would I be looking for a term to express that you're a Carr hating douche ????

    You're clearly a Carr apologist and supporter of the mediocre pussy !

    Sheesh.

  2. #32
    If we offered both 1st's this year our 1st next year and maybe a late pick also, would Cincy trade us that pick? I only ask cuz id dosent seem like were gona be bad next year and prolly wont have a shot at Lawrence(and im not a fan of his for the record)with us not having as much draft capitol after this year..Back the pick truck up for Burrow?
    Fu#k The Rest

  3. #33
    Quote Originally Posted by Garner25 View Post
    If we offered both 1st's this year our 1st next year and maybe a late pick also, would Cincy trade us that pick? I only ask cuz id dosent seem like were gona be bad next year and prolly wont have a shot at Lawrence(and im not a fan of his for the record)with us not having as much draft capitol after this year..Back the pick truck up for Burrow?
    hell no,giving up both the 12 and 19th picks this yr plus another 1st in 2021 and more would be assinine imo

  4. #34
    Quote Originally Posted by Garner25 View Post
    If we offered both 1st's this year our 1st next year and maybe a late pick also, would Cincy trade us that pick? I only ask cuz id dosent seem like were gona be bad next year and prolly wont have a shot at Lawrence(and im not a fan of his for the record)with us not having as much draft capitol after this year..Back the pick truck up for Burrow?
    Better get a bigger truck. Bengals are going to want alot more.

  5. #35
    Quote Originally Posted by mstrbass2000 View Post
    hell no,giving up both the 12 and 19th picks this yr plus another 1st in 2021 and more would be assinine imo
    Agree. Joe Burrow can be a very good QB in the right situation. The Raiders isn't it. And neither are the Bengals. Everyone thinks that getting a QB and giving up a kings ransom fixes everything. It won't fix the defsne which gave up 350 points for the 13th straight season. Which by the way is a record. It won't fix the linebacking unit which failed to record a sack, force a fumble or recover a fumble the entire season. That may be the first time in the history of the NFL that has been accomplished.

  6. #36
    12 playoff teams this season and their QB:

    Chiefs: Mahomes (rookie contract)
    Titans: Tannehill ($7 million)
    Ravens: Jackson (rookie contract)
    Bills: Allen (rookie contract)
    Patriots: Brady ($21.5 million)
    Texans: Watson (rookie contract)

    Saints: Brees ($22.7 million)
    Niners: Garappolo ($20 million)
    Vikings: Cousins ($29 millon)
    Seahawks: Wilson ($26 million)
    Packers: Rodgers ($29.6 million)
    Eagles: Wentz (rookie contract, extension doesn't kick in until 2020 season)

    FIVE teams in the playoffs this season had QB's who are still playing under their rookie contract (that is an astounding number and it's not a coincidence). Factor in that last season the Rams made it to the Superbowl with Goff on his rookie contract. Drafting a QB who can start in his rookie or sophomore season allows teams to address other areas of weakness. The difference between having a rookie starter and a QB on $25 million means the GM can go out and grab 3-4 quality starters, or address a lack of depth at certain positions with 6-7 solid role players.

    I'm not advocating to trade the house for Burrow, however if we had the #1 pick our current roster status would be the perfect situation for him to walk into. Why would anyone else think otherwise? Burrow would be dropping back behind an outstanding & experienced offensive line with arguably the best Center in the NFL, he'd be handing the ball off to the Offensive Rookie of the Year (Jacobs) who looks to be a perennial pro-bowler, he'd have a top-notch Tight End to throw to, and his GM would have $100 million in cap space, no state income tax, and a state of the art training facility at his disposal to help to address the WR position and defensive side of the ball.

    Correct me if I'm wrong, but Joe Burrow isn't a two-way player is he? We're not asking him to play Safety are we? What does our porous defense have to do with how well Burrow or any QB would perform? The defensive issues need to be addressed regardless of who is at QB but having a QB on a rookie contract certainly makes that easier.

    With a QB on a rookie deal, the offensive line in place, TE in place, RB in place, 3 of 4 defensive line starters in place, wouldn't $90-100 million and a few draft picks be enough to bring in starters at the following positions (taking into account signing draft picks, depth additions) :

    WR1
    CB1
    S
    MLB
    OLB
    DE/DT (one pass rushing specialist)
    Last edited by DoctorRaider; 01-18-2020 at 11:43 AM.

  7. #37
    Quote Originally Posted by Garner25 View Post
    If we offered both 1st's this year our 1st next year and maybe a late pick also, would Cincy trade us that pick? I only ask cuz id dosent seem like were gona be bad next year and prolly wont have a shot at Lawrence(and im not a fan of his for the record)with us not having as much draft capitol after this year..Back the pick truck up for Burrow?
    I read an article about what it would take for the Bengals to bite..

    " -Both first-round picks

    -The three previously existing third-round picks (80, 81, and 91)

    -Tampa Bay's second-round pick (trade Derek Carr for TB's second round pick)

    -The fifth-round pick for Gabe Jackson

    -New England's third-round pick for Kolton Miller

    In other words, eight total draft picks, the same amount the New Orleans Saints gave up for Ricky Williams in 1999. Of course, this leaves the Silver and Black with needs at offensive line and without picks in rounds two and three to address the rest of the roster, but that's what free agency is for."
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    I'd be fine with everything else other than Kolton Miller..can't trade a young, starting LT away for a 3rd round pick ..

    We'd not be giving up any picks in the 2021 draft, Jackson is expendable considering he plays guard, and moving Carr along for a 2nd round pick would be fine by me considering we'd also be getting cap relief..

  8. #38
    Quote Originally Posted by DoctorRaider View Post
    12 playoff teams this season and their QB:

    Chiefs: Mahomes (rookie contract)
    Titans: Tannehill ($7 million)
    Ravens: Jackson (rookie contract)
    Bills: Allen (rookie contract)
    Patriots: Brady ($21.5 million)
    Texans: Watson (rookie contract)

    Saints: Brees ($22.7 million)
    Niners: Garappolo ($20 million)
    Vikings: Cousins ($29 millon)
    Seahawks: Wilson ($26 million)
    Packers: Rodgers ($29.6 million)
    Eagles: Wentz (rookie contract, extension doesn't kick in until 2020 season)

    FIVE teams in the playoffs this season had QB's who are still playing under their rookie contract (that is an astounding number and it's not a coincidence). Factor in that last season the Rams made it to the Superbowl with Goff on his rookie contract. Drafting a QB who can start in his rookie or sophomore season allows teams to address other areas of weakness. The difference between having a rookie starter and a QB on $25 million means the GM can go out and grab 3-4 quality starters, or address a lack of depth at certain positions with 6-7 solid role players.

    I'm not advocating to trade the house for Burrow, however if we had the #1 pick our current roster status would be the perfect situation for him to walk into. Why would anyone else think otherwise? Burrow would be dropping back behind an outstanding & experienced offensive line with arguably the best Center in the NFL, he'd be handing the ball off to the Offensive Rookie of the Year (Jacobs) who looks to be a perennial pro-bowler, he'd have a top-notch Tight End to throw to, and his GM would have $100 million in cap space, no state income tax, and a state of the art training facility at his disposal to help to address the WR position and defensive side of the ball.

    With a QB on a rookie deal, the offensive line in place, TE in place, RB in place, 3 of 4 defensive line starters in place, wouldn't $90-100 million and a few draft picks be enough to bring in starters at the following positions (taking into account signing draft picks, depth additions) :

    WR1
    CB1
    S
    MLB
    OLB
    DE/DT (one pass rushing specialist)
    It is a coincidence. Except for the Bills, the Chiefs, Texans, Eagles, Ravens. They were playoff caliber teams before they drafted the QB. Each made the playoffs the year before they drafted the QB. The Eagles were two years before. The same issues will arise with any QB on the Raiders. NO DEFENSE

  9. #39
    Quote Originally Posted by DoctorRaider View Post
    I read an article about what it would take for the Bengals to bite..

    " -Both first-round picks

    -The three previously existing third-round picks (80, 81, and 91)

    -Tampa Bay's second-round pick (trade Derek Carr for TB's second round pick)

    -The fifth-round pick for Gabe Jackson

    -New England's third-round pick for Kolton Miller

    In other words, eight total draft picks, the same amount the New Orleans Saints gave up for Ricky Williams in 1999. Of course, this leaves the Silver and Black with needs at offensive line and without picks in rounds two and three to address the rest of the roster, but that's what free agency is for."
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    I'd be fine with everything else other than Kolton Miller..can't trade a young, starting LT away for a 3rd round pick ..

    We'd not be giving up any picks in the 2021 draft, Jackson is expendable considering he plays guard, and moving Carr along for a 2nd round pick would be fine by me considering we'd also be getting cap relief..
    If the Raiders ever made that trade they would win 1 game in the next two years. We would be giving up 30 points a game and scoring maybe 15 points. How many games did the Saints win after that trade? T\ W would be giving up twice the amount in draft capital. They gave up 5,6,7the rounders with 3 high picks. We would be giving up All premium picks. It's lunacy

  10. #40
    Quote Originally Posted by RAIDERMAN818 View Post
    Better get a bigger truck. Bengals are going to want alot more.
    burrows the only dude i would go after but the cost is too great,so move on and improve everywhere and get into the playoffs

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