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  1. #41
    Quote Originally Posted by psly2124 View Post
    If the Raiders ever made that trade they would win 1 game in the next two years. We would be giving up 30 points a game and scoring maybe 15 points. How many games did the Saints win after that trade? T\ W would be giving up twice the amount in draft capital. They gave up 5,6,7the rounders with 3 high picks. We would be giving up All premium picks. It's lunacy
    12th and 19th picks

    One 2nd round pick

    Four 3rd round picks

    Assuming Kolton Miller wasn't involved, the offensive line would be intact, we'd still have a boat load of cap space, Jacobs, Waller, Crosby, and ALL of our picks in next year's draft. Most importantly, we'd have a much better player at the most important position in the game moving forward. Burrow today, is a better QB than Carr will ever become and that's not even debatable.

    We went 6-10 last season and it's fair to assume that we should have been 7-9 at the very least when taking into account the Jags game. Remove Carr and plug in Burrow and why wouldn't our record be close to .500 next season considering the boatload of cap space we'd have to address the defense and WR position?

    What you're saying is that even if we invest in our defense, bring in a WR or two, and upgrade our QB, we'd go from winning 6 of 16 games to winning 1 of 32 games? I'm failing to understand the logic there, please explain

  2. #42
    Quote Originally Posted by DoctorRaider View Post
    12 playoff teams this season and their QB:

    Chiefs: Mahomes (rookie contract)
    Titans: Tannehill ($7 million)
    Ravens: Jackson (rookie contract)
    Bills: Allen (rookie contract)
    Patriots: Brady ($21.5 million)
    Texans: Watson (rookie contract)

    Saints: Brees ($22.7 million)
    Niners: Garappolo ($20 million)
    Vikings: Cousins ($29 millon)
    Seahawks: Wilson ($26 million)
    Packers: Rodgers ($29.6 million)
    Eagles: Wentz (rookie contract, extension doesn't kick in until 2020 season)

    FIVE teams in the playoffs this season had QB's who are still playing under their rookie contract (that is an astounding number and it's not a coincidence). Factor in that last season the Rams made it to the Superbowl with Goff on his rookie contract. Drafting a QB who can start in his rookie or sophomore season allows teams to address other areas of weakness. The difference between having a rookie starter and a QB on $25 million means the GM can go out and grab 3-4 quality starters, or address a lack of depth at certain positions with 6-7 solid role players.

    I'm not advocating to trade the house for Burrow, however if we had the #1 pick our current roster status would be the perfect situation for him to walk into. Why would anyone else think otherwise? Burrow would be dropping back behind an outstanding & experienced offensive line with arguably the best Center in the NFL, he'd be handing the ball off to the Offensive Rookie of the Year (Jacobs) who looks to be a perennial pro-bowler, he'd have a top-notch Tight End to throw to, and his GM would have $100 million in cap space, no state income tax, and a state of the art training facility at his disposal to help to address the WR position and defensive side of the ball.

    Correct me if I'm wrong, but Joe Burrow isn't a two-way player is he? We're not asking him to play Safety are we? What does our porous defense have to do with how well Burrow or any QB would perform? The defensive issues need to be addressed regardless of who is at QB but having a QB on a rookie contract certainly makes that easier.

    With a QB on a rookie deal, the offensive line in place, TE in place, RB in place, 3 of 4 defensive line starters in place, wouldn't $90-100 million and a few draft picks be enough to bring in starters at the following positions (taking into account signing draft picks, depth additions) :

    WR1
    CB1
    S
    MLB
    OLB
    DE/DT (one pass rushing specialist)
    yeah and because of how the raiders kept our cap free we can still accomplish all of that and add 5 rookies whom can impact our defense and offense with carr at the helm,if carr shits the bed we can move on 2021 and go after a qb on a rookie deal with nearly half the team also on rookie deals

  3. #43
    Quote Originally Posted by psly2124 View Post
    It is a coincidence. Except for the Bills, the Chiefs, Texans, Eagles, Ravens. They were playoff caliber teams before they drafted the QB. Each made the playoffs the year before they drafted the QB. The Eagles were two years before. The same issues will arise with any QB on the Raiders. NO DEFENSE
    It's not a coincidence when it's 5 of 12 teams and last year's Super Bowl runner up was also on a rookie contract. We've gone through this before; there is plenty of data, examples, etc regarding the success of teams who have QB's on rookie deals.

  4. #44
    Quote Originally Posted by DoctorRaider View Post
    I read an article about what it would take for the Bengals to bite..

    " -Both first-round picks

    -The three previously existing third-round picks (80, 81, and 91)

    -Tampa Bay's second-round pick (trade Derek Carr for TB's second round pick)

    -The fifth-round pick for Gabe Jackson

    -New England's third-round pick for Kolton Miller

    In other words, eight total draft picks, the same amount the New Orleans Saints gave up for Ricky Williams in 1999. Of course, this leaves the Silver and Black with needs at offensive line and without picks in rounds two and three to address the rest of the roster, but that's what free agency is for."
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    I'd be fine with everything else other than Kolton Miller..can't trade a young, starting LT away for a 3rd round pick ..

    We'd not be giving up any picks in the 2021 draft, Jackson is expendable considering he plays guard, and moving Carr along for a 2nd round pick would be fine by me considering we'd also be getting cap relief..
    best thing about that trade is if burrow bust's were only fvcked for 3 yrs

  5. #45
    Quote Originally Posted by doctorraider View Post
    it's not a coincidence when it's 5 of 12 teams and last year's super bowl runner up was also on a rookie contract. We've gone through this before; there is plenty of data, examples, etc regarding the success of teams who have qb's on rookie deals.
    the were playoff teams before they got the quarterback.

  6. #46
    Quote Originally Posted by psly2124 View Post
    If the Raiders ever made that trade they would win 1 game in the next two years. We would be giving up 30 points a game and scoring maybe 15 points. How many games did the Saints win after that trade? T\ W would be giving up twice the amount in draft capital. They gave up 5,6,7the rounders with 3 high picks. We would be giving up All premium picks. It's lunacy
    completely agree,dont sell the farm for a rookie qb if you do and the kid bust's your entire team is screwed for 3 yrs min

  7. #47
    Quote Originally Posted by mstrbass2000 View Post
    yeah and because of how the raiders kept our cap free we can still accomplish all of that and add 5 rookies whom can impact our defense and offense with carr at the helm,if carr shits the bed we can move on 2021 and go after a qb on a rookie deal with nearly half the team also on rookie deals
    I'm not advocating to trade for Burrow, like I said earlier..I'm all for building through the draft with Mayock. I'm simply pointing to the obvious that there is a huge benefit to having a capable starter at the QB position who is on a rookie contract. Even Carr's lone successful season was when he was on a rookie contract..it is not a coincidence by any stretch of anyone's imagination. There is a science to it, a method to the madness.

  8. #48
    Quote Originally Posted by DoctorRaider View Post
    It's not a coincidence when it's 5 of 12 teams and last year's Super Bowl runner up was also on a rookie contract. We've gone through this before; there is plenty of data, examples, etc regarding the success of teams who have QB's on rookie deals.
    so the 7 teams including the winner of the super bowl last yr were wrong,correct

  9. #49
    Quote Originally Posted by DoctorRaider View Post
    12th and 19th picks

    One 2nd round pick

    Four 3rd round picks

    Assuming Kolton Miller wasn't involved, the offensive line would be intact, we'd still have a boat load of cap space, Jacobs, Waller, Crosby, and ALL of our picks in next year's draft. Most importantly, we'd have a much better player at the most important position in the game moving forward. Burrow today, is a better QB than Carr will ever become and that's not even debatable.

    We went 6-10 last season and it's fair to assume that we should have been 7-9 at the very least when taking into account the Jags game. Remove Carr and plug in Burrow and why wouldn't our record be close to .500 next season considering the boatload of cap space we'd have to address the defense and WR position?

    What you're saying is that even if we invest in our defense, bring in a WR or two, and upgrade our QB, we'd go from winning 6 of 16 games to winning 1 of 32 games? I'm failing to understand the logic there, please explain
    The Saints gave up 2- 1sts 2 -3rds 1- 4,5,6,7. For 8 picks. You want to give up 3 1's, 1-2nd and 3-3rds. That would go down as the worse then the Hershal Walker trade.


    Dallas got 3 1's, 3 2's 1 3rd and 1 6. Minnesota got back 2 3's, 1 5th 1 10th. It's a coin flip, but your trade could be worse.
    Last edited by psly2124; 01-18-2020 at 12:20 PM.

  10. #50
    Quote Originally Posted by DoctorRaider View Post
    I'm not advocating to trade for Burrow, like I said earlier..I'm all for building through the draft with Mayock. I'm simply pointing to the obvious that there is a huge benefit to having a capable starter at the QB position who is on a rookie contract. Even Carr's lone successful season was when he was on a rookie contract..it is not a coincidence by any stretch of anyone's imagination. There is a science to it, a method to the madness.
    how many rookie contract qbs have won a super bowl vs vet qb on bg contract

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