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  1. #71
    Quote Originally Posted by PhillyRaider View Post
    Smart teams don't build championship teams waiting for whoever falls either.
    When's the last time the Patriots moved up into the top 5 to draft a player? Or made a blockbuster trade in which they gave up a ton of draft capital for one player? Steelers? Seahawks? (teams that have always been in "the conversation" for the past decade)

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    Quote Originally Posted by DoctorRaider View Post
    When's the last time the Patriots moved up into the top 5 to draft a player? Or made a blockbuster trade in which they gave up a ton of draft capital for one player? Steelers? Seahawks? (teams that have always been in "the conversation" for the past decade)
    Pat's are a bad example. They don't have to do anything. They have a system in place which is perfect because they have the greatest QB and head coach to ever exist.

    Even so, the Pat's don't stand still in the draft. They make moves. Belichick is a stone genius and Brady the best ever so hard to use them as a comparable.

    A better question is how many teams have built championship contenders by remaining passive?

    If Haskins or Murray are available at 4, and the Giants target one of them as their franchise QB of the future, then would you advise them to stand still and wait or make the trade and secure your guy?

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    the best franchises have always traded players to acquire draft capital and then let the draft come to them or trade down to get even more draft picks,raiders are now in that mode trading players for draft picks and trading middle picks for great players on the out with their teams (see patriots),we already know gruden/mayock are looking to trade down during the draft to get even more picks this yr and next yr...that's the key to keeping your franchise fresh with talent,the more picks,the more chances to hit on em

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    Quote Originally Posted by rawhead View Post
    Part of it is real. Legit make a wish foundation. It was a commercial. The real ending is the kid scores a TD. This is an edited version. Looks like they took a Madden player and edited it in to create an alternative ending. They also redid the audio track because the original didn't say "he was born with a potato for a heart".
    Ya potato for heart is a dead give away I knew that was bs lol but ya thats a kyler murray highlight right there. Not the players all helping n acting but the HIT ITSELF

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    This years QB draft class is full of busters. They should all be 3rd/4th rounders Defense is DEEP
    Last edited by APROVO; 03-22-2019 at 02:34 PM.

  7. #77
    Quote Originally Posted by PhillyRaider View Post
    Pat's are a bad example. They don't have to do anything. They have a system in place which is perfect because they have the greatest QB and head coach to ever exist.

    Even so, the Pat's don't stand still in the draft. They make moves. Belichick is a stone genius and Brady the best ever so hard to use them as a comparable.

    A better question is how many teams have built championship contenders by remaining passive?

    If Haskins or Murray are available at 4, and the Giants target one of them as their franchise QB of the future, then would you advise them to stand still and wait or make the trade and secure your guy?
    Across the world of sports, Patriots (can't exclude them simply because of their head coach and QB), Steelers, Seahawks (legion of boom and the acquisition of Russell Wilson was largely accomplished through the draft), San Antonio Spurs, Golden State Warriors (they never make landscape shifting trades, they built a foundation and continue to add to it) .. in the modern day era of sports the good teams are the ones who built a foundation, and then played it smart from there. I can hardly think of a modern day era team that's won via drastic trades or gambles..

    Your turn..How many teams in the past 10 years have won a championship by way of making blockbuster changes and more precisely, TRADES?

  8. #78
    Quote Originally Posted by DoctorRaider View Post
    Across the world of sports, Patriots (can't exclude them simply because of their head coach and QB), Steelers, Seahawks (legion of boom and the acquisition of Russell Wilson was largely accomplished through the draft), San Antonio Spurs, Golden State Warriors (they never make landscape shifting trades, they built a foundation and continue to add to it) .. in the modern day era of sports the good teams are the ones who built a foundation, and then played it smart from there. I can hardly think of a modern day era team that's won via drastic trades or gambles..

    Your turn..How many teams in the past 10 years have won a championship by way of making blockbuster changes and more precisely, TRADES?
    This is ridiculous. There are PLENTY of examples of teams building through monster trades.

    Dallas built a dynasty in the Herschel Walker trade.

    Detroit Ref Wings built a dynasty through multiple trades. The Blackhawks followed that up with trades, tanking, and drafting. The Penguins also followed that model.

    The Sixers built through tanking and trades. I think they win this year and start their own dynasty (Haha bye bye golden state).

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    Bk gota bring bak the "eating the popcorn" emoji haha

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    Quote Originally Posted by DoctorRaider View Post
    Across the world of sports, Patriots (can't exclude them simply because of their head coach and QB), Steelers, Seahawks (legion of boom and the acquisition of Russell Wilson was largely accomplished through the draft), San Antonio Spurs, Golden State Warriors (they never make landscape shifting trades, they built a foundation and continue to add to it) .. in the modern day era of sports the good teams are the ones who built a foundation, and then played it smart from there. I can hardly think of a modern day era team that's won via drastic trades or gambles..

    Your turn..How many teams in the past 10 years have won a championship by way of making blockbuster changes and more precisely, TRADES?
    But they had a few things of that foundation established first; Steelers defense has been the same basic scheme/style since the 70's with a few tweaks here and there. They have Ben who, like him or not is a locked in Franchise QB. They know who they are and they build accordingly. The Patriots have established a culture and "type" of player they look for across the board, no exceptions. Seattle's defensive scheme is set, they know what they want to do and the exact player they need to accomplish it. With Wilson at QB for the offense they simply build around him (same as Brady). What is the Raiders scheme/style/culture? It keeps changing, keeps modifying....With Gruden we need to decide who the Raiders are, what is there modus operandi, culture, type of player. I believe that is what Gruden and Mayock are attempting to establish and a plan/strategy for it. We'll see if they are successful.

    Yes the Patriots have made huge trades to acquire key talent in their run. Wes Welker was acquired via trade with Miami, Randy Moss from the Raiders, however they of course make their bread-and-butter by trading away talent for draft picks/compensation. Sound familiar? Cooper/Mack....Not saying Gruden is the next Coach B, just that it does work both ways and you need to acquire talent to build a roster many different ways. Undrafted FA, Unrestricted/Restricted FA, the DRAFT however absolutely is key.

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