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Old 03-15-2008, 10:07 PM
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I like the deal. Hall is better than any player we could draft in the second round this year. I think it is a given now that the Raiders will trade down from number 4 to collect more picks.
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Wow Hall huh, So what happens to Routt and Washington?
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Old 03-15-2008, 11:20 PM
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If this deal does indeed go through I would say overall the offseason is a success. I didn't like the earlier moves leading up to the Javon Walker deal but with both Walker and now possibly Hall if I were to grade the offseason thuis far I would give the Raiders a B-. where before that i was going with a D plus at best. With all the money they have shelled out to lesser players they better not get stingy with Hall and they had better sign Nnamdi long term to similar numbers. It would be a shame to see Kelly get a 50 mil deal and Nnamdi get short changed and leave. Hoepefully there is someone within the orginization who is cap savy and we can manage to make this all come together. As for trading that #4 pick if the Cowboy's want it I'd like to see us get a WR in return. Personally I would keep it and draft the best wideout on the board, rather than gain multiple pick's. That being said the 4th overall pick will also caomand big money so that may not be feesible. To sum up suddenly I'm looking foward to the season starting more so than I was about a week and a half ago provinding they get the Hall deal done.
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Wow Hall huh, So what happens to Routt and Washington?

In a word Depth.
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nice read, now lets sign ASO long term plzzzzz
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nice move, now we just need to lock up nnamdi
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hmmmm.... not quite sure what to think about this one, we're probably going to sign him to something like a 6 year 50 million deal, Asomuga deserves a contract of at least that much, so I ask, where is all this money coming from and how are we going to be under the cap not only this season but next year and the next....

I'm not complaining about Al trying to increase the talent level of the team, I am simply questioning the haphazard manner in which he is doing so. I think that he has signed a bunch of very high priced players who's value will be less than the sum of the parts
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if this does happen watch us trade our 4th pick for more picks.....example to either the jets for there pick and a 3rd... or most likely to the cowboys for there first 2 rounders...... we also may be trading Fabian washigton away for a pick... maybe a 3rd rounder... or package him to dallas for there first 2 and there 2nd.....
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With the impending Hall signing I think it pretty much indicates that Al is putting a huge amount of pressure on Rob Ryan to finally get the D to step it up and perform up to their abilities. No more "Give us 17 points a game." It's put up or shut up time now. Ryan's had 5 years now to get this D up to par, and I think Al Davis is maybe starting to lose his patience with Ryan and placing him, and his D, under the gun. I can only hope with the Hall acquisition that this means the Raiders will finally be using more blitzing packages, like some zone-blitzing for a change to makeover the defense's vanilla schemes.

I think this offseason so far has proven that Al is making a concerted effort to vastly improve the D, maybe in part to compensate for the fact that we will virtually be starting a rookie QB. A good running game and a staunch defense are a rookie QB's best friend. We've got the running game covered, the defense remains to be seen, but at least pieces of the puzzle are being added. Maybe Al has finallly just had enough after these last 5 years of futility. Nobody likes to lose, especially Al Davis.

This also brings me to the current situation with Aso. I think it's pretty apparent, at least IMO, with the money that has been spent by Al and the Raiders organization this off-season, that Nnamdi was probably offered a financially lucrative contract, to which Aso and his agent have yet to sign. The reasons may be two-fold. Possibly Nnamdi and his agent are currently looking for contract similar to the one that Nate Clements received from the 49ers, or Nnamdi was waiting to see what FA signings, player acquisitions and draft picks were going to be made by the Raiders to improve the team before signing his name on the dotted line. Either way I think Nnamdi is a greater player than Hall, but Hall can legitimately be considered a top 5 CB. By trading for Hall, Al has essentially covered his losses should Aso not resign with the team, and if Aso does sign a long-term contract, then the Raiders have the best CB tandem in the league.
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With the impending Hall signing I think it pretty much indicates that Al is putting a huge amount of pressure on Rob Ryan to finally get the D to step it up and perform up to their abilities. No more "Give us 17 points a game." It's put up or shut up time now. Ryan's had 5 years now to get this D up to par, and I think Al Davis is maybe starting to lose his patience with Ryan and placing him, and his D, under the gun. I can only hope with the Hall acquisition that this means the Raiders will finally be using more blitzing packages, like some zone-blitzing for a change to makeover the defense's vanilla schemes.

I think this offseason so far has proven that Al is making a concerted effort to vastly improve the D, maybe in part to compensate for the fact that we will virtually be starting a rookie QB. A good running game and a staunch defense are a rookie QB's best friend. We've got the running game covered, the defense remains to be seen, but at least pieces of the puzzle are being added. Maybe Al has finallly just had enough after these last 5 years of futility. Nobody likes to lose, especially Al Davis.

This also brings me to the current situation with Aso. I think it's pretty apparent, at least IMO, with the money that has been spent by Al and the Raiders organization this off-season, that Nnamdi was probably offered a financially lucrative contract, to which Aso and his agent have yet to sign. The reasons may be two-fold. Possibly Nnamdi and his agent are currently looking for contract similar to the one that Nate Clements received from the 49ers, or Nnamdi was waiting to see what FA signings, player acquisitions and draft picks were going to be made by the Raiders to improve the team before signing his name on the dotted line. Either way I think Nnamdi is a greater player than Hall, but Hall can legitimately be considered a top 5 CB. By trading for Hall, Al has essentially covered his losses should Aso not resign with the team, and if Aso does sign a long-term contract, then the Raiders have the best CB tandem in the league.
really good post.

I agree with the majority of what you wrote.
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Salary Cap

I've seen alot of people worry about us staying under the salary cap. Well the thing is the agreement the nfl has with the salary cap comes to an end after this upcoming season, so the 2009 season currently has no salary cap agreement. So I'm thinking, does Al Davis know something that everyone else doesn't? Maybe he's spending alot of cash on free agents because he believes there will be no agreement to bring back the salary cap for the 2009 season and sees that next year people will be spending cash like crazy and that'll be harder to bring in free agents.
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haha your nuts. not everybody can run the ball effectively and I cant see us getting any worse in stuffing the run. I just see nothing but improvements in all factors of this club. Take your negative comments and get hit by a bus!
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when we release lamont jordan, will we have enough cap space to sing Aso long term along with Hall?
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i agree

Its great getting Hall if we can, but not at the risk of losing Asomugha. He is a character guy and worked his butt off to become one of the elite corners. I really do hope that he gets his due and we get to see him wear the silver and black for a LONG time. There is still a lot of holes to fill, but its nice to see the Raiders make some moves to get us back to the top.
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as long as they are swinging the bat...I am much happier
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