Marcus

[raterfann]

What was the whole deal with Allen and Al.........I have heard different things.

How is what happened to Marcus, JP different. I know that last year we paid JP a Sh*t load of cash now he's acting crazy. I belive that JP (I hope) will come around. Form what i know about the Allen thing is that Marcus wanted more money and Al didnt wanna pay him. Im i right about this or im i wrong
Im asking cuz i dont know

[raidersrocker]

Originally Posted by raterfann

What was the whole deal with Allen and Al.........I have heard different things.

How is what happened to Marcus, JP different. I know that last year we paid JP a Sh*t load of cash now he's acting crazy. I belive that JP (I hope) will come around. Form what i know about the Allen thing is that Marcus wanted more money and Al didnt wanna pay him. Im i right about this or im i wrong
Im asking cuz i dont know

Marcus was never Mr. Davis' guy from the moment he was drafted. Al had his sights on someone else but his top advisors pleaded that he take Allen. Al did figuring in the end his advisors would be apologizing for the pick. A few years later Al drafted Bo Jackson which of course upset Allen, especially since Marcus would start the first half of each season, and Bo the 2nd half. Then one season while Bo was playin baseball, Marcus became injured. Davis thought he was dogging it. Marcus returned to the playing field with his arm in a cast, and fumbled the ball at a crucial moment. He continued to play until Bo returned. Marcus would then spend most of his time on the bench. Then during a MNF halftime interview Marcus aired his frustrations. Now he would remain in the doghouse ( even after Bo's carrer ended by injury ) up until he became a Chef. Allen, now older, was never the same RB he was w/ the Raiders, but always seemed to play his best when facing his former employer. Soon after , Shell was fired, and the glory days put on hold. That ,in a nutshell, is how I remember it. Anyone else?

[R8ERMAC]

bout right.

[raidersrocker]

Originally Posted by raterfann

What was the whole deal with Allen and Al.........I have heard different things.

How is what happened to Marcus, JP different. I know that last year we paid JP a Sh*t load of cash now he's acting crazy. I belive that JP (I hope) will come around. Form what i know about the Allen thing is that Marcus wanted more money and Al didnt wanna pay him. Im i right about this or im i wrong
Im asking cuz i dont know

As for Porter, the dude's had to share the field with two legends and probably a third. He want's the spotlight but doesn't want to earn it.

[DarkLordAlDavis]

I'll just add to what others said. Al wanted WR Anthony Han**** (eventually taken the pick before us by K.C). After he was gone Al let us draft Marcus. Tom Flores coached Marcus in the Senior Bowl. Flores and the scouts wanted Marcus. In the game Flores didn't let Marcus carry the ball much but did (call a play) throw him a long pass he scored on.....

Al had a trade arranged that would have sent Marcus to Cleveland for a 2nd round pick but he had hurt his ankle and the trade never went through......

[DarthRaider666]

yea,i remember...it was against the giants last game of the season, when he fumbled ..it was near there goal line..we needed the win to make the playoffs..

[DarkLordAlDavis]

The fumble that infuriated Lord Al so much was against the E-Girls in ot near the goal line. All Marcus needed to do was hold the ball. The worst thing that could have happened we kick a field goal and win. Reason I remember it. I was at a concert and a bunch of inbred E-Girl fans had the game on the radio. We were 8-4 going into the game. We had come back from a 0-3 start that year. Wes Hopkins picked up the fumble and ran the length of the field. Think Cunningham then ran it in from a couple yards away. We lost the rest of our games to finish 8-8.......

[trur8r]

I worked at a gated communtiy in Southern California and I met Marcus Allen (Very Classy Guy) several times, he would go and play golf there. He was very hesitant when I asked him about the rift between him and Davis, he just mentioned that some people were jealous about the great reputation he was getting and that the Raiders were getting to be Marcus Allen and the Raiders not Al Davis and the Raiders and of course Mr. Davis doesn't like that. No One really knows for sure cause their hasn't been many people that have come out and publicly talked about it so it's just a he said this he said that thing, By the end of the day marcus allen is the best running back ever in Raiders History

[raterfann]

Originally Posted by trur8r

I worked at a gated communtiy in Southern California and I met Marcus Allen (Very Classy Guy) several times, he would go and play golf there. He was very hesitant when I asked him about the rift between him and Davis, he just mentioned that some people were jealous about the great reputation he was getting and that the Raiders were getting to be Marcus Allen and the Raiders not Al Davis and the Raiders and of course Mr. Davis doesn't like that. No One really knows for sure cause their hasn't been many people that have come out and publicly talked about it so it's just a he said this he said that thing, By the end of the day marcus allen is the best running back ever in Raiders History

I wouldnt say the best.....but i will say that Allen had game and he wasnt a bum by no means..........If Bo didnt get hurt ..........need i say more........


Thanks for all the imput guys i now have a better understanding of what happened

[Cledus]

Marcus hurt his cause by holding out the year after signing a new contract. Every time Eric Dickerson or Walter Payton got a bigger contract, Marcus wanted comparable funds. This was at the time the NFL was transitioning from salaries of 100k to several million. Al believes you play for what the contract says.
Marcus learned from OJ how to have a good public personna.

[R8ERMAC]

Originally Posted by Cledus

Marcus hurt his cause by holding out the year after signing a new contract. Every time Eric Dickerson or Walter Payton got a bigger contract, Marcus wanted comparable funds. This was at the time the NFL was transitioning from salaries of 100k to several million. Al believes you play for what the contract says.
Marcus learned from OJ how to have a good public personna.

alright well said.

[raterfann]

Originally Posted by Cledus

Marcus hurt his cause by holding out the year after signing a new contract. Every time Eric Dickerson or Walter Payton got a bigger contract, Marcus wanted comparable funds. This was at the time the NFL was transitioning from salaries of 100k to several million. Al believes you play for what the contract says.
Marcus learned from OJ how to have a good public personna.

I agree with Al if that's what you agreed to getting paid...............however i do understand what Allen wanted also............and Marcus was worth every red cent

[MaddenRaider]

Originally Posted by raidersrocker

Marcus was never Mr. Davis' guy from the moment he was drafted. Al had his sights on someone else but his top advisors pleaded that he take Allen. Al did figuring in the end his advisors would be apologizing for the pick. A few years later Al drafted Bo Jackson which of course upset Allen, especially since Marcus would start the first half of each season, and Bo the 2nd half. Then one season while Bo was playin baseball, Marcus became injured. Davis thought he was dogging it. Marcus returned to the playing field with his arm in a cast, and fumbled the ball at a crucial moment. He continued to play until Bo returned. Marcus would then spend most of his time on the bench. Then during a MNF halftime interview Marcus aired his frustrations. Now he would remain in the doghouse ( even after Bo's carrer ended by injury ) up until he became a Chef. Allen, now older, was never the same RB he was w/ the Raiders, but always seemed to play his best when facing his former employer. Soon after , Shell was fired, and the glory days put on hold. That ,in a nutshell, is how I remember it. Anyone else?

Took a bag of nails and hammered it away. Great post.

[MaddenRaider]

Originally Posted by DarkLordAlDavis

The fumble that infuriated Lord Al so much was against the E-Girls in ot near the goal line. All Marcus needed to do was hold the ball. The worst thing that could have happened we kick a field goal and win. Reason I remember it. I was at a concert and a bunch of inbred E-Girl fans had the game on the radio. We were 8-4 going into the game. We had come back from a 0-3 start that year. Wes Hopkins picked up the fumble and ran the length of the field. Think Cunningham then ran it in from a couple yards away.

Okay, Marcus's fault, inarguably.

We lost the rest of our games to finish 8-8.......

Not Marcus's fault.

There's the distinction that needs to be made.

[MaddenRaider]

Originally Posted by Cledus

Al believes you play for what the contract says.

Sounds like an owner who's able to keep up with the times. And how dare people say the game has passed him by?

Marcus learned from OJ how to have a good public personna.

Who'd Al Davis learn from? His public persona isn't exactly up there with Mother Theresa's, either. In fact, if you ran a popularity poll between Marcus and the old man, nation wide, Marcus wins, and I not ****, probably 99 to 1. And, I only bring that up in response to your taking Marcus Allens' public persona to task.

You know, come to think of it, Al Davis and O.J. might actually be neck in neck in a nationwide popularity poll.