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Old 02-28-2006, 02:03 AM
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If Texans Trade #1....

The domino effect of the Texans trading the 1st pick is interesting:

The Rumor now is the Titans trading up to grab Leinart with #1.

If so, then who do the Saints pick? Bush? Young? Cutler?
Then back to the Texans at #3: D'Brick? Bush?
Jets #4: Both Cutler and D'Brick could be gone. Bush? Young?
Pack #5: Mario has to go here.
Niners#6: they may trade down and someone will grab AJ Hawk here.

I think the Raiders may have a choice between DT Ngata and TE Vernon Davis -- unless someone takes Davis or V. Young at #6 -- then we choose between Ngata and Hawk. Yes, Vince Young will probably be there. That's an exciting pick, but perhaps the Raiders are going to keep their feet on the ground.

It seems that the Saints and Jets will hold wild cards if a Texans/Titans trade goes down. Many possibilities, but the Raiders still seem to be sitting in Ngata land. Although Vernon Davis is a classic Al Davis pick. Sounds like a real possibility.
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Raiders swap texans 1st pick?

Do you guys think the Raiders are one of the teams to talk to the texans about trading the first pick?
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I wouldn't at all be surprised to see the Raiders trade-up for Reggie Bush.

Unlikely, but not improbable.

It's no surprise that the Raiders have lacked 'play-makers.' Reggie Bush is a play-maker.

The thing that makes it unlikely is that Houston will hold out for a ransom! And the Raiders realllly need all of their draft picks to patch the holes that Kerry Collins blew into this once proud franchise!

If this is a direction that Oakland wants to go in, I would think a package consisting of the following would get the job done:

Raiders trade:

a) Doug Gabriel
b) Barry Sims
c) #1 (7th pick)
d) #1 (2007)
e) #4 rounder (this year)

That package should get it done. Barry Sims is a servicable Guard. Doug Gabriel has developed into a Second round pick quality player, and obviously the going rate for a top pick is 2 #1's and another pick.

If the Raiders stay where they are the net gain would be minimal on the simple fact that the top 3-4 picks are all going to be the same.

Upshot: If the Raiders don't trade up for the #1 pick, nothing changes and they end up taking (Saftey) Michael Huff with the 7th pick.
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The domino effect of the Texans trading the 1st pick is interesting:

The Rumor now is the Titans trading up to grab Leinart with #1.

If so, then who do the Saints pick? Bush? Young? Cutler?
Then back to the Texans at #3: D'Brick? Bush?
Jets #4: Both Cutler and D'Brick could be gone. Bush? Young?
Pack #5: Mario has to go here.
Niners#6: they may trade down and someone will grab AJ Hawk here.

I think the Raiders may have a choice between DT Ngata and TE Vernon Davis -- unless someone takes Davis or V. Young at #6 -- then we choose between Ngata and Hawk. Yes, Vince Young will probably be there. That's an exciting pick, but perhaps the Raiders are going to keep their feet on the ground.

It seems that the Saints and Jets will hold wild cards if a Texans/Titans trade goes down. Many possibilities, but the Raiders still seem to be sitting in Ngata land. Although Vernon Davis is a classic Al Davis pick. Sounds like a real possibility.

If the Texans trade it will throw a wrench into alot of plans, because now the Saints who thought they were safe with Lienart at #2, have to make a decision: trade down, draft Bush even though you have Mcallister, draft Cutler or Ferguson..

Vernon Davis has Al pick written all over him..He has potential and measurables...The only way that I would like to draft Davis instead of defense is if we were committed to Starting Andrew Walter and wanted to give him a safety valve, but even then i would be somewhat disappointed with all the needs we have on defense, that we didn't draft a blue chipper on that side of the ball..
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[quote=NEO]I wouldn't at all be surprised to see the Raiders trade-up for Reggie Bush.

Unlikely, but not improbable.

It's no surprise that the Raiders have lacked 'play-makers.' Reggie Bush is a play-maker.

The thing that makes it unlikely is that Houston will hold out for a ransom! And the Raiders realllly need all of their draft picks to patch the holes that Kerry Collins blew into this once proud franchise!

If this is a direction that Oakland wants to go in, I would think a package consisting of the following would get the job done:

Raiders trade:

a) Doug Gabriel
b) Barry Sims
c) #1 (7th pick)
d) #1 (2007)
e) #4 rounder (this year)

WAYYYYYY too much dude. Especially when Gabriel is a rising star, and Sims is gonna be an anchor on that line. Not to mention who we could pick up next year.....
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Old 02-28-2006, 02:20 AM
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I wouldn't at all be surprised to see the Raiders trade-up for Reggie Bush.

Unlikely, but not improbable.

It's no surprise that the Raiders have lacked 'play-makers.' Reggie Bush is a play-maker.

The thing that makes it unlikely is that Houston will hold out for a ransom! And the Raiders realllly need all of their draft picks to patch the holes that Kerry Collins blew into this once proud franchise!

If this is a direction that Oakland wants to go in, I would think a package consisting of the following would get the job done:

Raiders trade:

a) Doug Gabriel
b) Barry Sims
c) #1 (7th pick)
d) #1 (2007)
e) #4 rounder (this year)

That package should get it done. Barry Sims is a servicable Guard. Doug Gabriel has developed into a Second round pick quality player, and obviously the going rate for a top pick is 2 #1's and another pick.

If the Raiders stay where they are the net gain would be minimal on the simple fact that the top 3-4 picks are all going to be the same.

Upshot: If the Raiders don't trade up for the #1 pick, nothing changes and they end up taking (Saftey) Michael Huff with the 7th pick.
As much as I like Reggie Bush, that is a terrible deal because we have so many needs that we are not in any position to trade what little depth we have for a RB...But thats just my opinion..
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I didn't consider Huff as our pick, but he makes very good sense.
I was imagining the Raiders picking up Archuleta in FA.

While the package you are proposing is a very good one -- what about Jordan? That's why I am beginning to think that Vernon Davis, a TE that can do it all, fits the bill. He's like a OL/WR combined! That seems to fit with our "new" offensive strategy.

But Oh MY...if we could get Bush...
will our line be good enough to make some holes for him..
or will he have the career or Barry Sanders?
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This could be real interesting, I've been running all of the scenarios and I think that either Hawk or Mario should fall to us. The way Cutler has been moving up the board works to our advantage.
In no particular order, these should be the top 7 guys taken. (we'd get one of them)
1.Reggie Bush
2.Matt Leinart
3.Vince Young
4.Jay Cutler
5.D'Brickashaw Ferguson
6.Super Mario
7.A.J. Hawk
We should still be sittin' pretty by the time #7 rolls around!!
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Old 02-28-2006, 02:24 AM
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I could make an argument for drafting any non-kicking position on the team at #7 other then TE, well FB to. I won't be able to sleep if we draft a TE. I don't see why this changes the whole ball of wax though, the same teams would still be drafting ahead of us and well we still are at #7 and it’s not like whoever is moving up is taking someone that isn’t planned on going in the top 7 any way. Where is my math going south at? Yeah right at the top-end it would have an effect but by #7 I think it will all smooth back out to the same choices for us.
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I think we are simply because Al Davis and Casserly have worked out 2 trades in like 2 or 3 years...But I still think the Texans don't want to fall all the way to #7 because they are targeting Ferguson...Just my gut feel...

I hope it doesn't happen because we have many needs...We are not an RB away from contending, we need lots of help.
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I dont think Al will go after Reggie Bush, if he goes for the #1 pick (Which I dont think he'll do either) it will be for another player.

With Lamont Jordan's contract last season, being such a huge contract, would Al pay all that money just on the Rb position??? I dont think he'd that. So if Al goes after the #1 spot, he'll go for another player.

**I can see the Oakland Raiders maybe trading up, but not up that high. Maybe one or two spots, if they do at all.
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Who is Cutler and why is he all of a sudden in the top 5 picks?

This is good because it means our chances of getting Mario or Hawk are better.

If we end up in a position to draft Young, I'd say trade that pick in a heartbeat.
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We are trading our #7 for their #1 and they are giving us PBuch back. I still wouldn't do it.
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