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Old 02-28-2005, 07:30 AM
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Raiders latest to catch trade fever

By Cam Inman

CONTRA COSTA TIMES


So, the autumn wind is a Raider, huh? Well, so are the NFL's current trade winds.

Pillaging the Minnesota Vikings for wide receiver Randy Moss got the fun started last week.

Next up might be a deal to dump cornerback Charles Woodson, the Raiders stating Friday a trade is imminent now that he's strong-armed their capologists by signing his one-year, $10.5 million tender.

The smoke will clear this week, with trades officially allowed to consummate come Wednesday.

Did someone say smoke? Hey, it wasn't long ago that running back Ricky Williams put down his peace pipe and asked the running back-starved Raiders to be his valentine.

There you go. Trade Woodson to Miami for Williams, who signs a new deal worth a handsome bonus that helps repay his $8.6 million IOU to the Dolphins.

Wouldn't that be so Raiders-esque, and so in line with how trades have become trendy in the NFL?

It wasn't long ago that the salary cap seemingly forced trades to disappear from the game like Lester Hayes' stickum. Instead, the last few offseasons have seen blockbuster deals bulk up Super Bowl contenders.

Last spring, two other reputed high-maintenance malcontents rode the trade winds, with the New England Patriots reeling in running back Corey Dillon and the Philadelphia Eagles winning wide receiver Terrell Owens in an arbitrator's auction.

The Patriots' 2003 title run was buoyed by the arrival of nose tackle Ted Washington from Chicago. And in 2002, the Tampa Bay Buccaneers' late-night looting of the Raiders for coach Jon Gruden paid off with their first Super Bowl title.

Think back to 1999, and although grocer-turned-quarterback Kurt Warner is remembered for leading the St. Louis Rams' run to their first title, don't forget the '99 deal that brought them Marshall Faulk from the Indianapolis Colts.

It'll take more than the rooty-tooty-fresh-and-fruity Moss to fix the Raiders, whose defense ranked only ahead of the woeful 49ers in points allowed last year. But as history indicates, some of the Raiders' finest moments came soon after trades.

• Cornerback Willie Brown and quarterback Daryle Lamonica arrived via trade in 1967, sparking the Raiders to the AFL title and Super Bowl II, which they lost to the Green Bay Packers.

• In 1975, the Raiders traded for linebacker Ted Hendricks, and after winning the AFC West that year, they went on to capture their first Super Bowl the following season.

• Cornerback Mike Haynes joined the Los Angeles Raiders via the Patriots during the 1983 championship campaign, producing an interception as the Raiders downed the Washington Redskins 38-9 in Super Bowl XVIII.

Brown, Hendricks and Haynes all are Hall of Famers. Will Moss join them in Canton? He's headed that way if you look at his unparalleled stats in his seven seasons with the Minnesota Vikings.

Acquiring such a drawing card in his prime is what's bound to make the Raiders' move tops in the league this offseason. Unless Woodson trumps it, or Williams' head clears, or, what, the Tampa Bay Buccaneers make a midnight call for Raiders coach Norv Turner's services?

More trades will come. Most occur on draft day, typically picks for more picks or unproven players. Some work (the Broncos for the rights to John Elway, the Packers for Brett Favre, the 49ers for Jerry Rice). Some fail (Rickey Dudley and Darrell Russell by the Raiders, J.J. Stokes by the 49ers).

Don't hold your breath to see if the 49ers unload this season's No. 1 overall pick and pull off a deal that eventually rivals their other beauties -- Steve Young in 1987, Fred Dean in 1981 and O.J. Simpson in 1978. Er, scratch that last one.

Despite his baggage, Moss' on-field dominance can't be dismissed, as the 49ers defense can attest. He shredded it for three touchdowns in 2003 by leaping over cornerbacks and speeding through the secondary.

"When he's right, he's the best there is in the game," Chiefs coach Dick Vermeil told the Kansas City Star last week. "He will have a tremendous effect on the outcome of football games as long as he doesn't negatively affect something else."

As long as ... what? He doesn't yell at his coaches, quarterback, referees, the Black Hole? He doesn't head for the locker room before time expires? He doesn't play demolition derby with the Coliseum traffic cops?

High risk could mean high reward, right?

Just ask the Patriots, who watched a Cincinnati villain turn into "clock-killin' Dillon" for them.

Of course, not all trades result in Super Bowl confetti and parades.

Two words: Herschel Walker.

The Minnesota Vikings coughed up seven draft picks and five players midway through the 1989 season for Walker in one of the worst trades in league history, at least from a Minnesota standpoint. The Vikings went nowhere. The Cowboys, parlayed their bounty -- as well as a 1992 trade with the 49ers for defensive end Charles Haley -- into three Super Bowls in four years, from 1992-95.

The Raiders can only hope the Vikings are so savvy once again.
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I wouldn't trade C-Wood to Miami for just Ricky Williams, I want way more than that, something like a 2nd rounder....
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Charles for Taylor and Surtain.
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Trading C-Wood to the Fins for Williams is stupid he is retired.And even if he was to unretire who's to say he will play past the time it takes him to pay back 8.6 million.
Remember he quit on the whole organization.
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Charles for Taylor and Surtain.
I doubt Miami would trade us their premier pass rusher, plus he would cost a bundle...
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Am I the only one who wishes that we had Rickey Williams? He is an incredible running back. And we got guys like Wheatley that can give him a breather. Add Ricky Williams to our mix and our offense will be near unstoppable. And wouldn't it be ironic, to have some of the leagues most hated players, with the leagues most hated franchise, and then win A superbowl and rub the NFL's nose in Sh--! Ricky is is awesome, I want him bad, now is not the time for trepidation and worry about "he is a cancer", "he is a baby", waaaa, waaa, waaaa. The guy is flat out a horse in the backfield.
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Hey guys, we can't have it both ways, you can't want to get rid of cwoods cap money and then think u r negotiating from a position of strength and get whatever we feel like. If that trade were possible, I say do it.
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Am I the only one who wishes that we had Rickey Williams? He is an incredible running back. And we got guys like Wheatley that can give him a breather. Add Ricky Williams to our mix and our offense will be near unstoppable. And wouldn't it be ironic, to have some of the leagues most hated players, with the leagues most hated franchise, and then win A superbowl and rub the NFL's nose in Sh--! Ricky is is awesome, I want him bad, now is not the time for trepidation and worry about "he is a cancer", "he is a baby", waaaa, waaa, waaaa. The guy is flat out a horse in the backfield.
Ricky ain't coming here homie, if anything he might stay put in Miami, with that new coaching staff,and he's an incredible RB?
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Ricky ain't coming here homie, if anything he might stay put in Miami, with that new coaching staff,and he's an incredible RB?
wait a minute.....are u saying he isnt an incredible RB?
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Yes, he is awesome. And I wish the final piece of our offensive puzzle.
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Forget it. Ricky would start smoking weed the first chance he got and the League would watch him like a hawk if he was in a Raider uniform.
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On another thread someone posted all of Randy Mosses past trouble with the law. Almost every time he got stopped by police he had weed in his pocket. How do you feel about us now having Randy Moss? How many players that you don't know about that is on our team already? All I care about is how good of a player is the guy. Frankly, if he can give us 1200 yards plus, and plays like he always has, I don't care if he smokes flea infested rats, thats up to him. Just give this organisation what it wants, and be a stud back.
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Was a horse. Now he's as out of shape as can be. I remember reading somewhere that he dropped to about 195-200 lbs. If that really is the case, no thanks. Let...it....go.
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