insider on another forum seems to be right again

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I think the trading the entire draft is not likely. If they use the draft chart, their 1st this year and 2 seconds are worth alot. Throw in next years 1st and that more than covers the cost. I would go for that deal. Then we could really improve in a hurry.

[SF Mikey]

Originally Posted by AirRaiders

If we make that trade we will trade right out of getting Russell, Quinn, C.J. or Peterson. This trade would make no sense. We would be better suited to trade with Tampa to 4 and at take a little less as far as picks go because we will still get a top tier player without having to move up and getting rid of alot of what we gained by trading. What sense does it make to move that far back and then have to trade all the picks we just accumilated to move back up? On top of that we don't even get the guy we really want perhaps in the situation.

We aren't trading out of this pick down to 8 it makes no sense we are always the team wanting to trade up in the draft not back. We have never traded back in the first round. It won't happen! Russell or Quinn will be the pick!

Tampa Bay isn't going to give up much to move up to #1 possibly only their second round pick this year. If the Raiders trade down to #4 there is a decent chance that CJ, JR, and BQ may all be off the board. That leaves the Raiders with Thomas, Peterson (collarbone injury), or best defensive player available to choose from. I'm not crazy about trading down to #4 unless you know your guy is still there.

That is why I like drafting CJ then seeing how it plays out. You might see your top rated QB available later down the board at #4 or #6 or even #8 (you know Arizona at #5 isn't going QB), pickup extra pick(s) and save $$$ in contracts. I also wouldn't mind having CJ ripping it up in Oaktown for the next 10-12 years. Who knows maybe the Raiders coaching staff really like one of the tier two QBs (Edwards or Beck would be most likely) almost as much as Russell or Quinn. Possibly Walter really impressed during mini-camp as well (major reach but you never know).

[Trojan Raider]

Originally Posted by amikhail4

He stated that Atlanta Falcons were the frontrunners for a trade down not the Bucs and that the lions were depsperate because all the deals are going to the raiders and not them. He says that Calvin Johnson is still a lock for a trade bait and heres what pft says.


http://www.profootballtalk.com/rumormill.htm
LIONS HAVEN'T HEARD FROM FALCONS . . . YET

Despite reports that Falcons owner Arthur Blank has instructed G.M. Rick McKay to move up from the No. 8 overall spot in the draft to get receiver Calvin Johnson, we're told that the team that holds the No. 2 overall selection has yet to hear from the Falcons.

Though the Lions fully expect to be contacted by the Falcons, could it be that the Falcons have opted to go straight to the top of the draft, and will attempt to strike a deal with the Raiders?

There's zero indication that the Falcons are talking to the Raiders, who have been remarkably tight-lipped about their plans. But if McKay's orders are to get Johnson, and if there's an open question as to whether the Raiders will draft him, the best way to keep the boss happy (other than bringing him a daily calzone from Paisano's) would be to get all the way to No. 1.

Under the trade value chart developed by Jimmy Johnson in the 1990s, the Falcons would have to come up with 1,600 points in addition to the 1,400 points that apply to the No. 8 pick. The rest of the team's selections in the 2007 draft barely equate to 1,400 points; thus, the Falcons would also need to include 200 points from the 2008 draft.

The 2008 second-rounder that they received from the Texans might be the gap-bridger in this regard.

Then again, Raiders owner Al Davis might decide to put his thumb on the scale, and justifiably so. If running back Ricky Williams was worth the Saints' entire 1999 draft and a first-rounder the following year, then Johnson is worth the same, if not more.

Stay tuned on this one. Because the owner reportedly wants to make it happen, McKay and coach Bobby Petrino are in a no-lose situation. If the deal backfires and the Falcons stink for the next five years (or more) because they gave up so many draft picks, both McKay and Petrino will be able to cover their butts by pointing to Mr. Blank's decision to mortgage the future by going after a guy who could become the post-Vick face of the franchise.

Thanks for the heads up!!! Do you know if this guy has been accurate on information before? Just trying to get a feel of how good his sources are and how likely Johnson is to be the pick? Thanks again

[raidersdiehard]

Originally Posted by SF Mikey

Tampa Bay isn't going to give up much to move up to #1 possibly only their second round pick this year. If the Raiders trade down to #4 there is a decent chance that CJ, JR, and BQ may all be off the board. That leaves the Raiders with Thomas, Peterson (collarbone injury), or best defensive player available to choose from. I'm not crazy about trading down to #4 unless you know your guy is still there.

That is why I like drafting CJ then seeing how it plays out. You might see your top rated QB available later down the board at #4 or #6 or even #8 (you know Arizona at #5 isn't going QB), pickup extra pick(s) and save $$$ in contracts. I also wouldn't mind having CJ ripping it up in Oaktown for the next 10-12 years. Who knows maybe the Raiders coaching staff really like one of the tier two QBs (Edwards or Beck would be most likely) almost as much as Russell or Quinn. Possibly Walter really impressed during mini-camp as well (major reach but you never know).

Yes this is the way to go. We can see if what TB will give up (who they drafted) or if one of the Qb's falls to the falcons and deal w/ them to secure more picks. If we trade down w/ them first we WON'T get one of the top three bluechips.

[amikhail4]

Originally Posted by Trojan Raider

Thanks for the heads up!!! Do you know if this guy has been accurate on information before? Just trying to get a feel of how good his sources are and how likely Johnson is to be the pick? Thanks again

He has been right about McCOwn, kiffin and knapps love for quinn, and the trade with the Falcons wayy before it his the news. And many more things but i cant remember at this point. He goes it great detail and the best thing about him is that he updates every day. So even if its not true its very fun reading.

At this point he has Johnson as a lock using his as trade bait with the Falcons as a frontrunners.

[Trojan Raider]

Originally Posted by amikhail4

He has been right about McCOwn, kiffin and knapps love for quinn, and the trade with the Falcons wayy before it his the news. And many more things but i cant remember at this point. He goes it great detail and the best thing about him is that he updates every day. So even if its not true its very fun reading.

At this point he has Johnson as a lock using his as trade bait with the Falcons as a frontrunners.

Thanks for the Update. Carries a lot more value to me since he's been on the money before. I appreciate it and I'll hit you up with some Rep.

[AirRaiders]

Originally Posted by SF Mikey

Tampa Bay isn't going to give up much to move up to #1 possibly only their second round pick this year. If the Raiders trade down to #4 there is a decent chance that CJ, JR, and BQ may all be off the board. That leaves the Raiders with Thomas, Peterson (collarbone injury), or best defensive player available to choose from. I'm not crazy about trading down to #4 unless you know your guy is still there.

That is why I like drafting CJ then seeing how it plays out. You might see your top rated QB available later down the board at #4 or #6 or even #8 (you know Arizona at #5 isn't going QB), pickup extra pick(s) and save $$$ in contracts. I also wouldn't mind having CJ ripping it up in Oaktown for the next 10-12 years. Who knows maybe the Raiders coaching staff really like one of the tier two QBs (Edwards or Beck would be most likely) almost as much as Russell or Quinn. Possibly Walter really impressed during mini-camp as well (major reach but you never know).

Tampa will trade alot to move to #1 for fear that somebody else will trump there deal. If that is all there willing to trade then guess what they won't get C.J. because Detriot will trade down and get more then a 2nd to do so. Detriot wants a D lineman or O lineman so falling down to Atlanta isn't as bad for them as it would be for us wanting a QB.

If we can't get what we want we should stay put and draft our player instead of taking a risk for a few picks and missing out on a franchise type player. Some of you would make terrible GM's taking a few extra picks to move out of the top tier players. After the top 5 guys on offense Russell, Quinn, C.J., A.P., and Thomas the rest of the players you can throw in a pile and take your pick. We don't need a defensive player so that shouldn't factor into our equation.

[AirRaiders]

Originally Posted by SF Mikey

Tampa Bay isn't going to give up much to move up to #1 possibly only their second round pick this year. If the Raiders trade down to #4 there is a decent chance that CJ, JR, and BQ may all be off the board. That leaves the Raiders with Thomas, Peterson (collarbone injury), or best defensive player available to choose from. I'm not crazy about trading down to #4 unless you know your guy is still there.

That is why I like drafting CJ then seeing how it plays out. You might see your top rated QB available later down the board at #4 or #6 or even #8 (you know Arizona at #5 isn't going QB), pickup extra pick(s) and save $$$ in contracts. I also wouldn't mind having CJ ripping it up in Oaktown for the next 10-12 years. Who knows maybe the Raiders coaching staff really like one of the tier two QBs (Edwards or Beck would be most likely) almost as much as Russell or Quinn. Possibly Walter really impressed during mini-camp as well (major reach but you never know).

That is why if you don't get the trade you want instead of picking C.J. and hoping you pick the guy you want wheather it be C.J., Russell or Quinn. You don't let other teams and draft analysis determine who you pick.

[MikeD]

can the draft just get here!