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04-11-2007, 04:05 AM
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A simple question for all you JaMarcus Russell fans.
If you want the Raiders to draft JaMarcus Russell (and I'm still quite of the opinion it will be a good idea), what do you say to the experts when they say that he needs to sit for a year to mature?
Do you expect him to start straight away? Does Walter start next season and then Russell in 2008? What if we do well next season? If you don't think Walter is good enough, why start him at all? Or do we get another quarterback to start in 2007? Or do we just write off the 2007 season as a learning year in Kiffin's offense? I just need to know your answers. Please. 
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04-11-2007, 04:14 AM
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Me I am not a big fan of rookie QBs starting right away. I am a fan of the best player being on the field though. I say let all three, I included Booty, come to camp trying to earn the starting job. A little internal competition is a good thing and will make the team buy into whoever the starting QB is that much more. Winning a competion = Respect
Start the best.
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04-11-2007, 04:34 AM
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I say the QB that looks best in camp starts... Whether he is a rookie or not...
With the brand new Coaching staff, and offensive playbook, everyone right now is starting fresh... No one has the upper hand, simply because, EVERYONE will be learning the new system... What really does Walter have over Russell (assuming we draft Russell)... Walter has been on the sidelines for a couple years, and played in what, 8 games last year... Can we really say he learned much, or improved himself as a QB last year... I would have to say no... If anything, he regressed drastically... Hurt his confidence, probably made him gun-shy, and he showed the NFL that he is not at the "starting QB" stage in his career... Russell will have just as much time in camp and the offseason to learn the new system as Walter will have... Does Walter sitting on the sidelines for a couple years make him more NFL ready... No, I dont think it does... As of right now, I look at the both of them as rookie QB's... The QB who shows he knows the system better, and performs better on the field, will be the starting QB this year... **On a side note... Look at last year... Who was a more seasoned NFL QB, Collins or Young, Warner or Leinart...
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04-11-2007, 04:54 AM
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For my money I would say groom him for a year. I would bring in a vet and let Walter and the vet battle for the number one spot. The reason I would give Walter a shot is...
A. I don't think he will be great, but he could be good and deserves a shot to show it. B. His value right now is in the tank, so you might as well give him a chance to raise that, for him and for the team. At the end of the day I think Russell in the long run will be great, I think he should sit for 8-16, the way the contracts are set up it will cost us about 1-1.5 against the cap that first year to sit him so it isn't a big deal, the Chargers sat Rivers for 2 years. I would not be shocked if he started but the best is still to groom guys, especially when you're not sure how your line is going to play. What if we succeed? Great! Here are some possible scenarios as I see it... 1. The vet wins the starting job, fairly self explanatory. Regardless of our success Russell is the future, assuming Walter got a fair look that's that. This is what I see happening, not because I think Walter is horrible but because after last year and this being the Nth system/coaching staff he's had to contend with I think it would be tough for him to beat out a vet. 2. Walter beats out vet, has decent to good year. This would play out like the Bress/Rivers scenario in Diego. 3. Walter beat out vet, has great year. This would make things tough, classic QB controversy. If Walter does so well that we want to stick with him, well Russell will get a much better package then Schaub did just one year removed from his draft. 4. Either Walter or Vet starts and we lose, well if we are out of the playoffs by mid season then let JR get his feat wet. 5. Vet sucks, Walter sucks, Russell sucks, Curry comes in and plays QB- sucks. everybody sucks! (I don't see this happening) PS I'm with Sauce, not a Walter hater, just pro Russell
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04-11-2007, 05:02 AM
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Did you ever see Kubiak play? He was good enough. But Elway was great. I think that is the same deal here. Walter is good enough, but JR has more potential for greatness.
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04-11-2007, 05:12 AM
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Groom him i think he can play from the get go because the offense he ran at LSU helped him alot because he is use to the motions.shifting people around..but alot of people think were getting McCown to get Calvin.. to me i dont see it like that its a Vetran that can take over for a year and still have a chance to win..while JR gets ready..McCown only has one year left in his contract ...
its always better to have your Rookie QB sit out a year..maybe get some playing time at the end.. Quote:
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04-11-2007, 05:18 AM
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04-11-2007, 05:23 AM
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Who ever is the best in camp should start. Rookie or not.
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04-11-2007, 05:45 AM
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04-11-2007, 06:05 AM
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Sorry, but if your only two options are a third rate Vet, Walter, and any first pick QB, due to basic economics, fan pressure, and the Press... you are almost going to have to start the Rookie.
Not that it is the best situation... but thats whats going to happen... First time either a Vet or Walter makes a mistake, the Calls are going to start for the Rook... ready or not... You also have to decide NOW if Walter is a starting quality back or not. If he goes in, and does well, you just wasted 70 million or so on a rookies contract, and will STILL throw Walter under the bus next year (ala Breese...).
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04-11-2007, 06:18 AM
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the problem is economics however. you don't pay someone as much as we are going to have to pay JR just to sit him on the bench. there will be tremendous pressure to get him on the field as soon as possible unless one of the other QBs is CLEARLY better. and there is no way that Walter or Booty are clearly better.
if the offense is in a rebuild mode and all of the QBs are "wet around the ears", JR will be allowed to get experience and grow on the field along with the rest of the O.
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04-11-2007, 06:20 AM
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04-11-2007, 10:18 AM
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if we pickup JR i think you're gonna have to start him unless he has a really bad came & pre season & for that matter pre season doesn't mean all that much. correct me if i'm wrong but didn't walter light it up last year in pre season? tuff spot for us fans, i'd really like to see walter be the qb of the future but the jury is still out.
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