Shell seeks to reinstill Raiders' pride

[JonRaider]

I'm sorry, but until i see this actually happening, I see Shell's statement as nothing more than hot air! The same thing was said when Shell was first hired, and here we are, 2-11, the laughing stock of the league.
If you can't walk the walk, then don't talk the talk!

[HITMAN]

It's a little late in the season to be talking about instilling pride... Shell is a joke of a coach and you don't need anymore proof in the way he's handled the entire season...

[silver & black]

Originally Posted by Pietro

Pride is wonderful. So is direction.

What he failed to mention is leadership and teamwork.

In this regard, he has failed miserably. His biggest mistake was making it all about "me".

You do things my way. My way or the highway. You don't do things like that.

A good leader recognizes it's not about them, it's about his people.

You serve your people and get them to recognize that their actions will lead to success of the organization.

They will make mistakes. They will do stupid things. Your job, to set them on course and teach them what, why and how they are to do it right.

When your people succeed, they treat your customers well (we the fans). They win. You win. The customers win.

Look at this little example: Customer asks to use the phone. Clerk says "no". Why, asks the customer? Reply, if I can't use the phone, neither can you.

Everyone loses. Unhappy clerk, unhappy customer, company loses business.

Look at how Porter was handled and Walter. Good leadership? Huh? Come on, good leadership?

Rob Ryan has instilled that in the defense. Of course, it dosn't hurt to have better players which they do. However, how easy is it to quit when things are going bad?

Yes. And, that has not happened.

This organization needs leadership training.

As always, good post.

[silver & black]

Originally Posted by Devilspawn

Didn't Shell say this at the beginning of the year? what happened to the "enforce our will on our opponents" and all that crap?

Shell is a good leader, but not for this team in this situation. A quiet, soft spoken but stern leader is not good for guys who need a good tongue lashing and a beating in the woodshed. It's almost as if he's TOO quite.

It takes a certain type of person to lead in the face of adversity... Shell is not this type of person, obviously.

I never questioned his sincerity or desire to bring back the team that he loves. He just doesn't posess the skill to do it.

If the Raiders were a team full of self motivated, talented players, such as Shell himself once was, he would have no trouble succeeding and he would look like genius. Instead, the Raiders are a team full of young players, rookies, and primadona personalities... very few of which seem to posess the desire, talent, or drive to succeed.

The Raiders need a coach that can deal with what they are right now... basically, they look like an expansion team.

[rediaR Reverser]

Originally posted by Pietro: Pride is wonderful. So is direction.

What he failed to mention is leadership and teamwork.

In this regard, he has failed miserably. His biggest mistake was making it all about "me".

You do things my way. My way or the highway. You don't do things like that.

A good leader recognizes it's not about them, it's about his people.

You serve your people and get them to recognize that their actions will lead to success of the organization.

How do you know that he has not displayed the exact leadership characteristics that you have described? What if he did, and then you have an a** wipe who doesn't want to go with the program. then you bech him, then you got guys flaming you on message boards for being a poor leader. What if Art made the tough decision (a sign of a good leader), and did the right thing by putting Porter in his fu**ing place?

Everyone here was tired of the players running this show, we all wanted a disciplinarian, and as soon as he b*tch slaps someone we all run to the aid of the player. Sorry, I'm not buying into it.

Originally posted by macc attack:Poor doug gabriel doesnt seem to thrilled to be back either.

If he's not then bench that fu**er too. Yeah "poor Gabriel". I'm tired of this Sh*t, any player that doesn't want to be here, get the f*ck out. Play time is over you overpaid patty cake b*tches. I dont want this team to be like this anymore, and Art, if given the opportunity, is going to stop it. Whats wrong with you guys here? You want the Raiders to be run by the players? You want to know the truth, you want to know why we have sucked? It's the players!, Want to know why we can't hold a coaching staff in place? The players! They f*cking go cry to Al and they get there way, everytime. I hope you guys llike your 53 coaches and GM's on this team.

And oh gee, I didn't even have to get past the first page to see Grudens name come up again. What the hell is wrong with us? Forget about John Gruden already, heres a news flash, he's not that good of a coach. And what happened as soon as he left? We went to the Superbowl, and had the most prolific offense in the NFL. somewhere he never took us. But I guess its just the popular thing to adore him, give me Callahan any day. Oh but wait, the players dont like him, they rebelled, they got rid of him, hahaha, yeah, I'm sure they are all happy now, some thanks for what Callahan did for a bunch of past their prime, shouldn't be on the field anymore, cane walking, dinosaurs.

Man, I'm just getting started. Got me some of the good sh*t from Merriman.

[RaiderSithLord]

Originally Posted by rediaR Reverser

How do you know that he has not displayed the exact leadership characteristics that you have described? What if he did, and then you have an a** wipe who doesn't want to go with the program. then you bech him, then you got guys flaming you on message boards for being a poor leader. What if Art made the tough decision (a sign of a good leader), and did the right thing by putting Porter in his fu**ing place?

Everyone here was tired of the players running this show, we all wanted a disciplinarian, and as soon as he b*tch slaps someone we all run to the aid of the player. Sorry, I'm not buying into it.


If he's not then bench that fu**er too. Yeah "poor Gabriel". I'm tired of this Sh*t, any player that doesn't want to be here, get the f*ck out. Play time is over you overpaid patty cake b*tches. I dont want this team to be like this anymore, and Art, if given the opportunity, is going to stop it. Whats wrong with you guys here? You want the Raiders to be run by the players? You want to know the truth, you want to know why we have sucked? It's the players!, Want to know why we can't hold a coaching staff in place? The players! They f*cking go cry to Al and they get there way, everytime. I hope you guys llike your 53 coaches and GM's on this team.

And oh gee, I didn't even have to get past the first page to see Grudens name come up again. What the hell is wrong with us? Forget about John Gruden already, heres a news flash, he's not that good of a coach. And what happened as soon as he left? We went to the Superbowl, and had the most prolific offense in the NFL. somewhere he never took us. But I guess its just the popular thing to adore him, give me Callahan any day. Oh but wait, the players dont like him, they rebelled, they got rid of him, hahaha, yeah, I'm sure they are all happy now, some thanks for what Callahan did for a bunch of past their prime, shouldn't be on the field anymore, cane walking, dinosaurs.

Man, I'm just getting started. Got me some of the good sh*t from Merriman.

Great post, Vic... and I agree...

[xpiratexshipx]

Originally Posted by rediaR Reverser

How do you know that he has not displayed the exact leadership characteristics that you have described? What if he did, and then you have an a** wipe who doesn't want to go with the program. then you bech him, then you got guys flaming you on message boards for being a poor leader. What if Art made the tough decision (a sign of a good leader), and did the right thing by putting Porter in his fu**ing place?

Everyone here was tired of the players running this show, we all wanted a disciplinarian, and as soon as he b*tch slaps someone we all run to the aid of the player. Sorry, I'm not buying into it.


If he's not then bench that fu**er too. Yeah "poor Gabriel". I'm tired of this Sh*t, any player that doesn't want to be here, get the f*ck out. Play time is over you overpaid patty cake b*tches. I dont want this team to be like this anymore, and Art, if given the opportunity, is going to stop it. Whats wrong with you guys here? You want the Raiders to be run by the players? You want to know the truth, you want to know why we have sucked? It's the players!, Want to know why we can't hold a coaching staff in place? The players! They f*cking go cry to Al and they get there way, everytime. I hope you guys llike your 53 coaches and GM's on this team.

And oh gee, I didn't even have to get past the first page to see Grudens name come up again. What the hell is wrong with us? Forget about John Gruden already, heres a news flash, he's not that good of a coach. And what happened as soon as he left? We went to the Superbowl, and had the most prolific offense in the NFL. somewhere he never took us. But I guess its just the popular thing to adore him, give me Callahan any day. Oh but wait, the players dont like him, they rebelled, they got rid of him, hahaha, yeah, I'm sure they are all happy now, some thanks for what Callahan did for a bunch of past their prime, shouldn't be on the field anymore, cane walking, dinosaurs.

Man, I'm just getting started. Got me some of the good sh*t from Merriman.

WOW, great post. AMEN MY BROTHA!!!! All of you that want yet ANOTHER new coach after this year is done.... dont hold your breath, cause its not gonna happen. Shell will be here at LEAST another year. The post above says it all... last year we wanted shell to come in and to "take charge". So, shell comes in and takes charge....and then what happens?? AWWWWWW, POOOOOOOOORRRRRRRR PORTER, POOR MOSS, POOR BROOKS..... wtf?!?!?!?! If some of you fans want to let the over-paid players run the show, good luck even winning 1 game next year. This is shell's first season back in over six yrs!! WTF do some of you expect?? Should moss and porter just be allowed to run the show, or any other malcontent that doesnt get his wittle way?!?!?!?! BULL****. Also, how do any of you now opposed to shell know he's not "cut out" for the job?? Any of you ever been in his position?? Doubtful. Here's the bottom line, either support the team, or jump ship. Shell has my full support, and hopefully he'll can little bitche$ like moss and porter. OH, and as for gruden, he's history. Get over it.

[raidacane]

Originally Posted by Bram Raider

Shell wants to reinstall some PRIDE.

Fine, then first he should acknowledge some failure, or do something about it.
Lets think about his postgame conferences.

He never has any answers as to what went wrong. He refuses to say it was anything but the players not performing. He states that in practise they never had an issue, the performed well.

Then why doesn't he bench the players that do not carry out there assigned duties on gameday?

Randal Williams fumbled two balls against the Texans on back-to-back plays and still played in front of John Madsen against the Bengals. He then proceeded to make that half-assed tip on the ball that lead to the interception. Brooks threw it behind him a little, but to me Williams had run past the pattern's end. Yet, we can bet that he will still play and make another mistake or two on sunday. On some teams he would have been waived after the Texans game, given his poor play up to that point. We still have 3 TEs on the roster if he was waived.

Look elsewhere on the site. Whitted has a catch ratio of just 56%, yet he is starting? Why? How? What has he done to be given such a pivotal position? Curry has more dependable hands, runs smarter routes and has proved himself healthy enough, yet Whitted continues to start in front of him.

Langston Walker has been pitiful at times pass-blocking. It has become apparent to all but Art Shell that he is incapable of becoming a starting quality Right Tackle, yet even when this was obvious Slaughter was not given a chance. Nor was Brad Badger even considered, yet he had starting experience. Stubbornness? Optimism? Stupidity? You be the judge.

The list of poor moves, inflexibility and downright lack of quality adds up to what should only end in a parting of ways. Yet, as many here expect, I think Al Davis will have him back next year.




But, I think Al Davis' health, or lack of it, will be the factor that determines Shell's continued presence. I don't think Al Davis has the strength to go through the process again. Which is great, isn't it? No real G.M., so we are stuck with a lame-ass HC.

Bram, I could add more mistakes and reasons to dump Shell, but you pretty much covered it. Thanks.
Your a man after my own heart.