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trur8r · #16 (**permalink**) 12-17-2006, 05:51 AM

Whatever happened to as long as you play hard for me and you make my team better you can play for me. If two people(Grown Men) dislike eachother outside of the football field, that shouldn't hurt the team and what's going on Sunday. Grudges are not good and they only destroy what you are supposed to build.

trur8r · #17 (**permalink**) 12-17-2006, 05:52 AM

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Originally Posted by LINQ0311

Throw Gru in there too. We should have never gotten rid of him. We never had a losing season with him, and look what happened as soon as he was gone...

Yea but that's someone who i doubt will ever be back in Oak Town, although it would be nice to hear the nation chant chucky again.

**LINQ0311** · #18 (**permalink**) 12-17-2006, 05:52 AM

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Originally Posted by trur8r

Whatever happened to as long as you play hard for me and you make my team better you can play for me. If two people(Grown Men) dislike eachother outside of the football field, that shouldn't hurt the team and what's going on Sunday. Grudges are not good and they only destroy what you are supposed to build.

Exactly. We have a lot of talent on this team, and every fan, regardless of actual Football knowledge, can see we are not utilizing it.

trur8r · #19 (**permalink**) 12-17-2006, 05:54 AM

We will wait and see if the Top Dawg has had enough of Shell, whether he quits or gets fired i don't care i honestly have lost a lot of respect for him as a HC.

**Bram Raider** · #20 (**permalink**) 12-17-2006, 06:22 AM

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Originally Posted by trur8r

We will wait and see if the Top Dawg has had enough of Shell, whether he quits or gets fired i don't care i honestly have lost a lot of respect for him as a HC.

Yes, but this is the majority of the problem. I don't think most of the team have that much respect for him either. A number of them like Norv Turner, for reasons that I could never work out.

I'm sure the locker-room saw the hiring of Art Shell as a last-ditch whim of Al Davis. I'm sure that for many they felt deflated rather than elated at the prospect of being coached by a man that had been out of the game for six years.

I really expected Art to address the team in a positive manner and get them onside. Instead he had an argument with a starting WR, then benched him. The situation was never resolved.

Most of us have encountered similar situations. When you see the manager being unable to rectify a situation you begin to lose respect for him or her. It is always up to the more senior figure to bring about a conclusion to the situation.

With Porter, Shell should have lobbied Al Davis to trade him immediately. He should have stood up to Al and stated it was either Porter or him. I'm sure Al would have had a go at him, but given the situation could well have agreed. Instead the position festered. Porter languished. Shell lost the respect of the locker-room. Think about it. Wouldn't it have been a real strong statement to the rest of the team. "Its my way or the highway."

Art Shell has lost my respect and if he is HC next year I will approach the season with a feeling of dread.

**LINQ0311** · #21 (**permalink**) 12-17-2006, 06:35 AM

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Originally Posted by trur8r

We will wait and see if the Top Dawg has had enough of Shell, whether he quits or gets fired i don't care i honestly have lost a lot of respect for him as a HC.

Me too. Struggling to find a winning groove is one thing, but not utilizing the talent on the bench is another.

It will be interesting to see if Dougie plays, or if Shell benches him too because "He played for a different team!!! He's a traitor!!! Oh, that's right, we traded him...or uh...ya."

trur8r · #22 (**permalink**) 12-17-2006, 06:53 AM

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Originally Posted by LINQ0311

Me too. Struggling to find a winning groove is one thing, but not utilizing the talent on the bench is another.

It will be interesting to see if Dougie plays, or if Shell benches him too because "He played for a different team!!! He's a traitor!!! Oh, that's right, we traded him...or uh...ya."

Ha, Whited is Shell's boy and you know he's going to get way more playing time than Gabs.

**Bram Raider** · #23 (**permalink**) 12-17-2006, 06:58 AM

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Originally Posted by LINQ0311

Me too. Struggling to find a winning groove is one thing, but not utilizing the talent on the bench is another.

It will be interesting to see if Dougie plays, or if Shell benches him too because "He played for a different team!!! He's a traitor!!! Oh, that's right, we traded him...or uh...ya."

Art Shell has no point being on the sideline. He should be sitting with Al Davis explaining where we went wrong.

Does he sent in guys or pull them out? Act like a General motivating the troops? Coordinate the battleplan?

No. No and no.
To my eyes Art stands on the sidelines looking confused and out-of-place, with the more than occassional glance at the clock.
Why look at the clock Art, my boy, you never change the tempo of the game in any way? Wanting to get home? Wanting to get the next rim-job from good old Alvis, or will it be Aaron's turn?

Hell, if Al Davis is happy with what he's seen this season then the old coot has finally gone senile.

trur8r · #24 (**permalink**) 12-17-2006, 07:02 AM

More and More i don't even want to see Shell be a GM for the Raiders(if he is ever a candidate)

**Bram Raider** · #25 (**permalink**) 12-17-2006, 07:18 AM

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Originally Posted by trur8r

More and More i don't even want to see Shell be a GM for the Raiders(if he is ever a candidate)

I want Al to admit he's getting older. To let Mike Lombardi hire the next HC and then see what happens.

If Lombardi had his way, Bobby Petrino would have been our Head Coach and I'm certain we would not have been in this mess. I'm sure if Petrino had thought he was essentially dealing with Lombardi alone it would have happened.

trur8r · #26 (**permalink**) 12-17-2006, 07:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Bram Raider

I want Al to admit he's getting older. To let Mike Lombardi hire the next HC and then see what happens.

If Lombardi had his way, Bobby Petrino would have been our Head Coach and I'm certain we would not have been in this mess. I'm sure if Petrino had thought he was essentially dealing with Lombardi alone it would have happened.

Yea that's the problem though, Davis won't do that ****. I hope Davis realizes that he is too old and his health is not helping. Al Davis just sit back relax and let someone younger with some fire run this team and all you have to do is accept that Lombardi Throphy at the end of the season and we will all be happy.

**LINQ0311** · #27 (**permalink**) 12-17-2006, 08:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Bram Raider

I want Al to admit he's getting older. To let Mike Lombardi hire the next HC and then see what happens.

If Lombardi had his way, Bobby Petrino would have been our Head Coach and I'm certain we would not have been in this mess. I'm sure if Petrino had thought he was essentially dealing with Lombardi alone it would have happened.

You're right on point bro.

code707 · #28 (**permalink**) 12-17-2006, 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Bram Raider

? Where ? To the men's room ? Do you have inside knowledge on his urinary and faecal habits ?

Shell needs to be fired, or take the man's way out and resign, apologising to Al Davis for letting him and the organisation down.

Thats my opinion!

OG BAMM BAMM · #29 (**permalink**) 12-17-2006, 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by HBD

Let the pride come next year....
PRIDE would be lost on a fool like Moss.
Play the rookies and trade the overpaid malcontents.... get the draft picks.
HBD

good post

sketch · #30 (**permalink**) 12-17-2006, 12:56 PM

we need physical players that will scare the other team