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12-16-2006, 08:30 AM
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wow its like the whole ship has commited mutiny against shell lol. I was also one of many to give shell another year, but now, damn hell no. The thing is how are we gonna get a good coach when we have had 3 in 4 years!!!!!!!!!!
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12-16-2006, 08:48 AM
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Its simple, Art Shell must be seeing something that we are not. How many of the people that comented know whats going on in practice? I mean, we judge players by their names, and few good plays that they had (that we blow up out of proportion). Shell actually watched these players in practice, and sees who can catch and who is more suitable for the offense that needs to be run.
Either he is the biggest idiot not to see the obvious, or there is something he is seing and is acting acordingly. I remember watchin Shell during pre season, and seein him give this stare to Walter when he threw a dumb interception. Man, that look was the look of death. Even the comentators made some coments about that. Than we go to normal season and Shell is a mellow statue that lets everything go by him. I think he is waiting for the players to step up and say "wait, I want to win, I don't want to rely on these primadonas to help me win" and than the team would be as strong as ever. What he does not see, is that wining brings teams together in todays NFL. Look at the chargers, they are wining and they are a unit, as opposed to us. However, if they weren't wining LT's record braking TD would be just like our Moss's 100th TD. See where I am going... Shell might be taking this team to a "wrong" direction, however he might also be seing something that we don't. So, I don't think its our place to call this man names, because if it was not for him AL would be coaching us and we would be laughed at even worse. Also, Shell is a raider and if nothing else, he knows how it is to bleed silver and black and no other coach will invest into us as much. So, you don't have to give him a chance, but at least understand that he is "trying" to do something with a team that was dimsantled loong before he became the coach.
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12-16-2006, 09:22 AM
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shell is pretty dumb when it comes to assessing who should be playing on a week to week basis , i still think whitted has something on shell...how the hell does he start every week...
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12-16-2006, 09:45 AM
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I'm pointing out the fact that Art has done the impossible this year which is doing a WORSE job that Norv Turner did the last couple years!!! This team has digressed , and has been a soap opera to boot!!! To see Norv up in the booth chuckling after calling that naked bootleg to seal up a victory where there wasn't a Sea**** within 30 yards of him just made me envious thats all , I wouldn't have mind keeping him as our O-cor instead of bringing in Walsh...
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12-16-2006, 09:59 AM
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Also, you would think a HOF lineman (Shell), make that a couple HOF linemen (Shell + Slater), could teach the young Raiders o-line how to play some football, but they have obviously failed...
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12-16-2006, 10:00 AM
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The team has played its ass off all year long and it hasn't quit, something which was problematic under Turner. I really could care less what he did aganist a Seattle defense that has been taking a spiral over the last month. I didn't miss the point. I simply stated the obvious in regards to Turner's ability as an OC/HC. Regress would be if this team actually had talent on the line, at RB, AT WR, AT TE and at QB; this team doesn't have players at those positions. Guess what, if we had any sort of average play from our line this team is 6-7 instead of 2-11.
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12-16-2006, 06:00 PM
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Wow, Shell should be made Vice President of Sales and Marketing for some blue chip corporate.
How to pump up a guy that was bizarrely traded just before the season after a break out year, and then get him fired up coming back to a team that's 2-11 and has the worst offence in the league? You put a quote out like this: Quote:
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12-16-2006, 07:01 PM
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shell is a complete joke for an NFL mind because he has absolutely no mind for the nfl outside of playing. he was a great player, but outside of that, he is completely clueless and it is pathetic cause this team has potential, we have decent young players, we need a few years to grow obviously, but shell is making us even worse.
i truly cannot stand art shell, he is clueless, he doesnt understand anything about the modern NFL and how it is supposed to be played, he doesnt understand challenging, he doesnt understand penalties and new rules, he is just useless as a head coach, completely useless.
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12-16-2006, 07:10 PM
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12-16-2006, 10:03 PM
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You can't honestly has that the offense would have been this consistantly bad under norv. Yeah, I think it still would have been mediocre to bad but, he has a little better design that what we've seen. Its already been said, but norv is just a bad HC, pretty okay OC. The issue with this team is the offensive philosopy. If we can bring some up and coming, unheraled guy who is looking to make a name for himself, I think this thing can be turned around. My problem w/ Shell is that I don't see him as a uniter. I guess thats kinda obvious. We may soon have as big of problem getting players to come here as we do coaches because they don't want to have to deal with him. The fact of the matter is you're always gonna have a few headcases on a team. I don't think Shell has the capacity to properly deal w/ those type of characters.
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12-16-2006, 10:10 PM
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12-16-2006, 10:34 PM
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You do realize that if it wasn't for our pleasantly surprising defense this season we still would be winless??? Yea that's right 0-13... How have we not regressed bro??? I'd kill to have Norv back as our O-cor over what we've had here this year... I was the first one calling for Norv's head here and took major flack for it as a newb a couple years ago... In fact if you look up my thread started history you will see one of my very first posts here at RF.NET was titled "Norv is not a head coach , he's a coordinator"... That said there's no way Norv would have made the ridiculous mistakes that Art Shell has made this year , NO WAY MAN!!! If Norv was still here Porter would be playing and producing , Moss would be getting the ball way more and Alvis would have left the building a long long time ago!!! Our backs would be more productive and would be way more involved in the passing game etc etc... Norv lacked fire and passion , something I thought Art would bring to the table as head coach and leader of the football team , but he doesn't even bring that... Again my posts in this thread are not so much to praise Turner as an OC , but more of a sad realization as to How bad we are right now under Shell.... As much as I loved him as a dominant left tackle I can't give a free pass for how bad he's been as head coach this year... It's not like i'm pleased to say all this but , it is what it is Man... I thought last season was rock bottom... I thought wrong!!!
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12-17-2006, 01:23 AM
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Norv the OC, had his team buying into what he did we where in more game last year 7 throwing TD to date says it all..IMO
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