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**cad** · #46 (**permalink**) 11-19-2006, 10:27 AM

Tui all over again

Walter didnt get a fair go!!!

crap OC
crap OL
crap running game
crap blocking
crap Wrs
crap schemes

Peyton manning would look like ryan Leaf behind our attack

Raiders18 · #47 (**permalink**) 11-19-2006, 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by OWShaddock

Aaron Brooks
111-for-193 (58 percent complete)
1,192 yards
7 TDs
7 INTs
4 fumbles lost
1-6 record

Andrew Walter
92-for-184 (50 percent complete)
1,115 yards
3 TDs
6 INTs
3 fumbles lost
2-5 record.

Or how about we compare both there first 7 starts in the NFL. To say anything but Brooks is better than Walter at this point is stupid.

Brooks
113-194
58.2%
1,515 yards passing, 170 rush
9TD's also 2 rushing
6INT's
1 fumbles lost
4-4 record. One of those wins was a playoff win over the defending superbowl champs the St. Lois Rams.
During his first seven starts He became the first NFL quarterback to have a 400-yard passing effort and a 100-yard rushing game in the same season and only the sixth player to have both in a career.

O yeah and Walter is:
104-216
48.1%
1,305 yards
3TD's
9INT's
7 fumbles lost
2-5 record in which the defence won the pittsburgh game by itself.

You can say what ever you want about how Brooks was on a playoff team but don't be acting liek Walter is good. So far even on the plays he has had time to throw he hasnt shown much at all, If anything.

ladyr8r · #48 (**permalink**) 11-19-2006, 10:52 AM

Thanx for the link Blackened. I'm not surprised. DISAPPOINTED, but not surprised. SMh......o well. So some of us jus have to grin n bare it. Sucks.

**CoRaidersFan** · #49 (**permalink**) 11-19-2006, 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Raiders18

You can say what ever you want about how Brooks was on a playoff team but don't be acting liek Walter is good. So far even on the plays he has had time to throw he hasnt shown much at all, If anything.

You can't say anyting about Walter at this point except that he is pretty damn durable. We have a head scratcher of an OC and system, a crap O-line and are setting NFL records in letting people get to our QB. Bottom line is if you think you have seen the best Walter can play under those circumstances then you are mistaken. I fully agree that he has made bad throws, reads, etc and has a lot to learn. I am not ready to throw him under the bus yet though. Once he has played a half season with even average protection and schemes, if he is still throwing that way, then it will be time to start looking elsewhere.

Raiders18 · #50 (**permalink**) 11-19-2006, 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by CoRaidersFan

You can't say anyting about Walter at this point except that he is pretty damn durable. We have a head scratcher of an OC and system, a crap O-line and are setting NFL records in letting people get to our QB. Bottom line is if you think you have seen the best Walter can play under those circumstances then you are mistaken. I fully agree that he has made bad throws, reads, etc and has a lot to learn. I am not ready to throw him under the bus yet though. Once he has played a half season with even average protection and schemes, if he is still throwing that way, then it will be time to start looking elsewhere.

Good post. I agree 100%.

**SilverHaze81** · #51 (**permalink**) 11-19-2006, 11:09 AM

If he were to have a 4000+, 20td, 10int this season, then we may have the best 1st year QB to ever play the game..right now he's the typical rookie(technically) QB..he's learning the system, he's learning the Defense, and we gotta stick with him...I hope this doesn't hurt his confidence..well, not like he can lose much more anyways....give him a few years and he'll hopefully turn into a very good QB...damn, I just wish Gannon would take some time away from the booth and sit on the sidelines with the Raiders as a coach..

**YoungLegend** · #52 (**permalink**) 11-19-2006, 11:21 AM

just saw it on espn brooks will start..

**Jave** · #53 (**permalink**) 11-19-2006, 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by LaMontJordan34

CALVIN JOHNSON> RANDY CANT CATCH MOSS

Andrew Walter 3td's 9int's 11 fumbles... Is he the QB of the future......
NOPE
Reply With Quote

How old are you? Are you not able to see beyond today? How many downs as Johnson played in the NFL? Ohhh zero, thats right.
And now lets cover your next nuget of intelligence. Lets do this:

Troy Aikman Pct 52.9 9TD's 18Ints Is he the QB of the future.........NOPE

John Elway 54.9 rating 7 tds 14 ints Is he the QB of the future...........NOPE

**YoungLegend** · #54 (**permalink**) 11-19-2006, 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Jave

How old are you? Are you not able to see beyond today? How many downs as Johnson played in the NFL? Ohhh zero, thats right.
And now lets cover your next nuget of intelligence. Lets do this:

Troy Aikman Pct 52.9 9TD's 18Ints Is he the QB of the future.........NOPE

John Elway 54.9 rating 7 tds 14 ints Is he the QB of the future...........NOPE

Please dont start with the **** again.. i can put what ever i want in my sig area and if you dont like that oo well i dont give a rats @ss...

and there you go again compairing walter to Hall of famers

you do know everybody dosent turn it around right

i better

before i get banned so have fun with your walter poster

toobs cruiser · #55 (**permalink**) 11-19-2006, 12:09 PM

Aaron Brooks starting tomorrow has taken what was left of me enjoying Raider games and thrown it away. We're out of the playoffs, but I still enjoyed watching Walter play to see if we need Brady Quinn, but I guess we have to suffer with "Smiles the Clown" Brooks. These are truly dark times.

NWTF · #56 (**permalink**) 11-19-2006, 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by OWShaddock

Add to the list of talented quarterbacks the Raiders failed to develop properly:

- Todd Marinovich (24th overall, 1991)
- Billy Joe Hobert (58th overall, 1993)
- Steve Beurlein (4th round, 1987)
- Marc Wilson (15th overall, 1980)

Looks like Andrew Walter will soon join their company.

Interesting find. Funny, three of the four you listed either failed or had their talent wasted with Art at the helm.

vtraider · #57 (**permalink**) 11-19-2006, 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by DarthBubba

.....the majority of whom have just enough intelligence to nod repeatedly, like a drunk at a rock concert to come into this thread and start saying ".......Noooooo, it has nothing to do with Walter's comments, Brooks is getting the 'injury can't lose you your job' exception.......bla bla bla..........."

You and I know this is all about Art Shell's stupid pride, his sheer stupidity, his lack of intelligence period, his lack of motivational power........................................it is about one thing and one thing only......

FACT: Art Shell, is a tremendously proud and arrogant idiot.

First of all, Why because someone supports Shell have to be unintelligent. Second, Walter has been playing very bad, Whether it be the system, supporting cast, inexperience, his comments, or a combination of all.

This is a team that is looking for something better, If that means putting Walter on the bench for a while then so be it.

"He is in his rookie as far as playing experience. The reason for the comparisons is that they are valid. Plenty of good, great, HOF QBs have been terrible their first season playing. No one is saying Walter will be as good as these guys, but only that if they looked that bad starting out it is completely possible that Walter will improve. You are missing the point altogether. QBs do not get ready on the bench. This only sets Walters development back."

This is not his rookie year, yes it is his first year starting but that does not buy you the rookie free pass. If it did then everyone wouldn't have been calling for Tui's head after starting one half last year. Here are a few QB's and what they did their "ROOKIE" year as you would like to call it.

Aaron Brooks
2000 New Orleans Saints 8 5 194 113 58.2 1514 7.80 53 9 6 15/94 20 4 85.7
mark brunell
1995 Jacksonville Jaguars 13 10 346 201 58.1 2168 6.27 45 15 7 39/238 23 1 82.6
Brad Johnson
1996 Minnesota Vikings 12 8 311 195 62.7 2258 7.26 82 17 10 15/119 27 7 89.4
Jake Delhomme
2003 Carolina Panthers 16 15 449 266 59.2 3219 7.17 67 19 16 23/168 46 9 80.6
Andrew Walter
2006 Oakland Raiders 9 7 216 104 48.1 1305 6.04 51 3 9 40/218 17 1 54.6

I can see how he is really making a case to be the QB of the future. Sarcasm
But I hope he developes but right now I just think he should either spend more time on the bench or he might go down in history with the
Ryan Leaf
1998 SDG 10 111 245 45.3 1289 5.3 2 67 15 39.0
Chris Weinke
2001 Carolina Panthers 15 15 540 293 54.3 2931 5.43 48 11 19 26/177 31 4 62.0
Gus Frerotte
1995 Washington Redskins 16 11 396 199 50.3 2751 6.95 73 13 13 23/192 41 9 70.2

of the world

trur8r · #58 (**permalink**) 11-19-2006, 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by LaMontJordan34

just saw it on espn brooks will start..

What a surprise

greg · #59 (**permalink**) 11-19-2006, 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by trur8r

No i'm tired of the Raiders drafting QB's and not developing them, i.e. Tui and Walter.

The last Quarterback the Raiders Drafted and developed succesfully was Kenny Stabler. Think about it. Marc Wilson. Todd Marinovich. Rusty Hilger. Their best quarterbacks have been free agents. Rich Gannon. Jim Plunkett. Jeff Hostetler.

neverlooking · #60 (**permalink**) 11-19-2006, 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by 3 Lombardis

It's not that big a deal. Just because Brooks gets a start does not mean Walter has "lost his job": or is not the "QB of the future". Many QB's that went on to have great careers started games on and off when they were young. Just because he sits for this game, doesn't mean we cannot evaluate him in others. Besides, what more do you want to see Walter do in this offense, with this OL?

You want to "evaluate" him ...

1. He's got an NFL arm;
2. He lacks accuracy, mobility and pocket presence,
3. He is sloppy with the snap from center,
4. He makes poor reads, if he reads at all,

Some of those things could get better by leaving him in for every snap the rest of the season. Some of those things will get worse with every snap he takes in this offense with this personel. 7 starts is enough for an "evaluation".

Walter needs a break. The team needs to try something new. If you don't think getting a win here and there means anything ... ask our defense. They are not playing their asses off just so we can keep on "evaluating" Andrew Walter.

Enough drama, it's just not that big a deal.

Good summary.
He also is not ramping up as fast as I'd hoped.
He makes reads, but he's still rook slow at it.