Oakland expects to start Brooks

[Jave]

Originally Posted by ShotGunStyle

Oh, yeah, because I'm sure sending Walter out there for seven more games so he can duplicate his terrible numbers from his first seven starts will give all Raider fans a clear picture if he's the QB of the future or not. He can still be the QB of the future, because he's 24. but he's not the QB of the present, so calm down and be patient.

Yea, after all, young qb's really learn the system by standing there on the sidelines with a clipboard. Remember Tui? And so by suggesting that, you were also in favor of benching Manning, Aikman, Palmer, Plunkett etc etc etc, because instead of letting them learn, they should sit on the bench right?
And Brooks, in his 6 years really showed he can lead a team and make good decisions.

The problem here is there is a select few fans who are unable to see beyond today, right now. They don't have the patience to understand starting qb's don't learn the system by holding clipboards. It's the Nintendo generation of I WANT WHAT I WANT AND I WANT IT NOW!!! If you don't come out and win games instantly, then YOUR GONE! These fans would have benched all of the above qb's I listed because they played terrible, looked terrible and lost a ton of games before they started to understand how to correct mistakes and make quicker decisions.
If going 6-10 every year is your goal, then Brooks is the right choice. I have already seen that no matter how we attempt to educate them on very basic concepts, they cannot see beyond Sunday, and to them, winning a game here and there with a different journeyman qb every 3 years is better then losing a couple more seasons developing a young qb and having that quarterback for the next decade. It's about RIGHT NOW.

[OWShaddock]

Originally Posted by trur8r

No i'm tired of the Raiders drafting QB's and not developing them, i.e. Tui and Walter, I think Walter will be good but from the looks of things not in Oakland, he lost his job after bad performances that for the most part were not his fault, sure he made some mistakes but he's a rookie QB what do you expect, and lets not forget the comments really hurt him and cost him the job.

Add to the list of talented quarterbacks the Raiders failed to develop properly:

- Todd Marinovich (24th overall, 1991)
- Billy Joe Hobert (58th overall, 1993)
- Steve Beurlein (4th round, 1987)
- Marc Wilson (15th overall, 1980)

Looks like Andrew Walter will soon join their company.

[Blackened]

Originally Posted by Mr. Blonde

This sucks, I think Brooks gives us a better chance to win now, but who cares it's the difference between 2 and 5 wins. I would rather see what we have with Walter, if nothing else groom him for a back up and put yourself in the position to get Brady Quinn. I am definitely not with Art on this one.

Agreed..

Originally Posted by jimi18

Honest question......

How bad will we really look, if he starts Brooks, and pulls him for walter in the 1st Qtr???

i guess we will not look bad, but Art sure will.

I honestly don't think anything would surprise me anymore...

[ShotGunStyle]

Originally Posted by Jave

Yea, after all, young qb's really learn the system by standing there on the sidelines with a clipboard. Remember Tui? And so by suggesting that, you were also in favor of benching Manning, Aikman, Palmer, Plunkett etc etc etc, because instead of letting them learn, they should sit on the bench right?
And Brooks, in his 6 years really showed he can lead a team and make good decisions.

The problem here is there is a select few fans who are unable to see beyond today, right now. They don't have the patience to understand starting qb's don't learn the system by holding clipboards. It's the Nintendo generation of I WANT WHAT I WANT AND I WANT IT NOW!!! If you don't come out and win games instantly, then YOUR GONE! These fans would have benched all of the above qb's I listed because they played terrible, looked terrible and lost a ton of games before they started to understand how to correct mistakes and make quicker decisions.
If going 6-10 every year is your goal, then Brooks is the right choice. I have already seen that no matter how we attempt to educate them on very basic concepts, they cannot see beyond Sunday, and to them, winning a game here and there with a different journeyman qb every 3 years is better then losing a couple more seasons developing a young qb and having that quarterback for the next decade. It's about RIGHT NOW.

Why do all Walter supporters always feel the need to compare Walter to first overall draft picks such as Palmer, Aikman, Manning, and Plunkett? First off, Walter is not a rookie. Stop comparing him to rookies. Second, he's not the first overall pick, or even a first round pick. There is no obligation to play him. Third, he has played, he's sucked, and should go back on the bench until he's ready. Once again, stop comparing Walter to every ****ing legend you can think of because it's getting real ****ing dumb.

[Jimi18]

The one thing.... only one.. and it is the ONLY thing about this WHOLE thing that really... really, really, makes me puzzled???


How can.... Brooks be injuired (claim his knee) then fumble two snaps, shows on tv he hurt his finger, then be out for 2-3 weeks cause some other shoulder injury, then it was listed to.. when Aaron can look like a QB i will see, now it is..
I am mad at walter, so Brooks is healthy???

weird **** to me!

[trur8r]

Originally Posted by DarthBubba

.....the majority of whom have just enough intelligence to nod repeatedly, like a drunk at a rock concert to come into this thread and start saying ".......Noooooo, it has nothing to do with Walter's comments, Brooks is getting the 'injury can't lose you your job' exception.......bla bla bla..........."

You and I know this is all about Art Shell's stupid pride, his sheer stupidity, his lack of intelligence period, his lack of motivational power........................................it is about one thing and one thing only......


FACT: Art Shell, is a tremendously proud and arrogant idiot.

[RichGannon]

Aaron Brooks just dosent want to be hit 9 times a game.

[ShotGunStyle]

If you want to say Walter was benched because of his comments and not because he's the worst rated QB in the NFL and continues to sail passes over open receivers heads, be my guest. Whatever makes you feel less disappointed that your savior finally got his chance to play, blew it, and blamed everyone else.

[Jimi18]

Originally Posted by ShotGunStyle

If you want to say Walter was benched because of his comments and not because he's the worst rated QB in the NFL and continues to sail passes over open receivers heads, be my guest. Whatever makes you feel less disappointed that your savior finally got his chance to play, blew it, and blamed everyone else.

dude... walter or not, your going to have to live with him being the QB for another year or two, or turn to another team, cause walter is not goign anywhere...
take all the dropped passes back, and he would have a decent ratiing.. over thrown,, maybe but at least his INT would not be high!

[trur8r]

Originally Posted by ShotGunStyle

Why do all Walter supporters always feel the need to compare Walter to first overall draft picks such as Palmer, Aikman, Manning, and Plunkett? First off, Walter is not a rookie. Stop comparing him to rookies. Second, he's not the first overall pick, or even a first round pick. There is no obligation to play him. Third, he has played, he's sucked, and should go back on the bench until he's ready. Once again, stop comparing Walter to every ****ing legend you can think of because it's getting real ****ing dumb.

Basically a rookie he didn't play at all last year only in pre-season. No he wasn't a 1st or 2nd round pick but we passed on 2 good QB's this past draft and obviously because the raiders thought that he was the answer, and now they're benching him knowing that the season is over, what do you think that does to his motivation

[raiderdude69]

I personally could give a flyin f*ck if Brooks starts. If he gives us a spark or whatever and can lead this offense a little better than Walter has been, then I'm all for it. Ain't like Brooks just started playing yesterday.. And bottom line, regardless of the **** o-line play, and completely horrid play calling, Walter's rating of 54.6 sucks any way you look at it; time to sit his ass and see what Brooks can do if completely healthy. All I know is I want to see this team win games, especially against the Chiefs and Chargers. Tired of losing to those f*cks.. Who cares if we're outta the playoffs, still wanna see wins. Draft position means **** anyway, it's all a f*ckin crapshoot (read one Robert Gallery)...

[YoungLegend]

Originally Posted by jimi18

dude... walter or not, your going to have to live with him being the QB for another year or two, or turn to another team, cause walter is not goign anywhere...

Man i better hurry up and turn 21 so i can ease the pain and start so i can be numb during those years..

[CoRaidersFan]

Originally Posted by ShotGunStyle

Why do all Walter supporters always feel the need to compare Walter to first overall draft picks such as Palmer, Aikman, Manning, and Plunkett? First off, Walter is not a rookie. Stop comparing him to rookies. Second, he's not the first overall pick, or even a first round pick. There is no obligation to play him. Third, he has played, he's sucked, and should go back on the bench until he's ready. Once again, stop comparing Walter to every ****ing legend you can think of because it's getting real ****ing dumb.

He is in his rookie as far as playing experience. The reason for the comparisons is that they are valid. Plenty of good, great, HOF QBs have been terrible their first season playing. No one is saying Walter will be as good as these guys, but only that if they looked that bad starting out it is completely possible that Walter will improve. You are missing the point altogether. QBs do not get ready on the bench. This only sets Walters development back.

[NWTF]

Originally Posted by OG BAMM BAMM

he'll we go again.... I say keep Walter as the starter so he get evaluated fully to see if he's our QB of the future.

I agree. This is disapointing to me. We needed to let Walter finish out the year.

FACT: We dont really know if Walter is the Qb of the future for the Raiders. He has shown some promise at times even though hes had terrible odds stacked against him, but he has not shown enough to say "yeah, we're set at QB" .

this move is a step backwards. I really want his win at Arrowhead and I think there is a decent shot to get it(if LJ is contained- whole nother story.) If we do get a win this move will be further complicated. I think we all know Brooks AT THIS POINT probably is a better QB than Walter but Brooks lacks the heart and desire to be a long term answer at QB.

Ideal situation: both offenses struggle in defensive game, Brooks gets knocked out late, Walter comes in and leads game winning drive capped by an offensive TD. this whole situation is put to rest.

[OWShaddock]

Originally Posted by ShotGunStyle

If you want to say Walter was benched because of his comments and