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Old 04-24-2007, 03:25 AM
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false we have no deep at wr. moss is gone anyway., like it or not. dont forget next year porter and asomugha will become fa, and probably raiders will tag asomugha, you know the contract clement sign this year, it means about 8 or 9 millions to keep asomugha next year, so no money to keep porter. in 2008 probably we will just hAVE curry who is often injure. we nee the best atlhete johnson.

at qb i am sur walter can do the job, last year young and leinart threw more interceptions than touchdown pass , and both play with a better o-line than the raiders. walter was sack i think 49 times (72 total with brooks), he had no time to pass and run for his life all the year. vermeil and theisman said about him he is a very good young qb.

just sign rattay and pick a qb later and we will be ok. with better coaching, better line and porter-johnson-curry to throw , also probably a te as miller or ben patrick this will be good.
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If Al was pissed at Shell for passing up leinart and Cutler then he isn't sold on Walter.
if we pick CJ this year, then we must come to the conclusion that AL picked huff and not shell.
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Why is it not important?

He didn't take the game to a higher level vs. top comp.
Hum I must be missing something when I watched ACC games that featured Georgia Tech. Maybe its because I live in ACC land and follow ACC with a passion.

I thought, and please correct me if you have any information that I might have missed, but Tech was a "Running" team 1st and Throwing team 2nd. Just like Clemson. In addition and again correct me if you have info that I missed, their QB was a option running QB 1st and throwing QB 2nd that did not have the greatest amount of accuracy in his deliveries. Even Johnson could not catch some of the passes that were over thrown or thrown out of bounds while the QB was scrambling or rolling out.

Then finally, when your the "Main Target" in a single target offense the coverages are rolled over to his side of the field.

Finally, you mention two teams Clemson and Georgia, again correct me if I am wrong but both teams are traditionally excellent defensive teams that via for their respect conference championships, not many teams have "Career Days" against them. Unlike Basketball Football is a team sport.

So, I'll ask RINY question again "Whats your Point"?

If you apply this standard to Johnson then I'll apply it to Quinn. When did he step up against Top Tier Competition? USC? Michigan? LSU?
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i think JRuss and Cjohnson are great choices.
But, the QB touches the ball on every play.
A good game a Wr has 8 touches, true he effects the plays he doesnt catch the ball - but we need a high impact player.

Ive noticed every great Wr had a great Qb, although not many but there have been some really good Qbs w/out a good wr - Elway, Brady, Hasselback, Vince Young, - so i think a Qb would make a bigger impact - but thats just my opinion doesnt make me right.
There are more HOF QB's drafted lower than there are at #1. If anyone other than the 49'ers knew what Rice would do in his career do you think someone would have drafted him #1?
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Hum I must be missing something when I watched ACC games that featured Georgia Tech. Maybe its because I live in ACC land and follow ACC with a passion.

I thought, and please correct me if you have any information that I might have missed, but Tech was a "Running" team 1st and Throwing team 2nd. Just like Clemson. In addition and again correct me if you have info that I missed, their QB was a option running QB 1st and throwing QB 2nd that did not have the greatest amount of accuracy in his deliveries. Even Johnson could not catch some of the passes that were over thrown or thrown out of bounds while the QB was scrambling or rolling out.

Then finally, when your the "Main Target" in a single target offense the coverages are rolled over to his side of the field.

Finally, you mention two teams Clemson and Georgia, again correct me if I am wrong but both teams are traditionally excellent defensive teams that via for their respect conference championships, not many teams have "Career Days" against them. Unlike Basketball Football is a team sport.

So, I'll ask RINY question again "Whats your Point"?

If you apply this standard to Johnson then I'll apply it to Quinn. When did he step up against Top Tier Competition? USC? Michigan? LSU?
What about JR as well. What good defensive teams did he beat? He gets hailed for beating the great Notre Dame but Quinn is bashed for never beating the top competition. Notre Dame was a terrible defense. JR never did anything against the good defensive teams (the few that he played). They made him look terrible. Even JRs highlight films are bad. I see Kerry Collins and Jeff George all over again when I watch JR.
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Every great WR had a great QB? Tim Brown never had a GREAT QB.

Herman Moore never had a great QB and he had the league record for most catches in a season for a little while till Marvin smashed it.

There have been MANY great WRs who didnt have great Qbs.

And no great QB has ever been great without a GREAT supporting cast. Elway may not have had HOF receivers, but he certainly had very good ones, who were pro-bowlers (3 amigos, Shannon Sharpe, Rod Lewis).

Brady had some very reliable wrs as well. Notice how they lost a couple of those guys and the O struggled last year for much of the time.

Young barely completed 50% of his passes so how did he make the list as a great QB? He has a VERY long way to go before he can be mentioned in any good QB list.

Hasselback has Jackson who has been one of the better WRs in the league. Jurevicious is a very good WR. Oh and i forget the name of the other WR who is putting up very nice numbers in Seattle. But the point is that Hasselbeck has had very good targets to throw too.

Maybe Timmy didn't have a great QB his entire career but where was Gannon a good portion of those years?
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What about JR as well. What good defensive teams did he beat? He gets hailed for beating the great Notre Dame but Quinn is bashed for never beating the top competition. Notre Dame was a terrible defense. JR never did anything against the good defensive teams (the few that he played). They made him look terrible. Even JRs highlight films are bad. I see Kerry Collins and Jeff George all over again when I watch JR.
Agreed - after posting it I caught that I left him out as well.!!!
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Mr. Davis doesn't call ALL the shots..

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Yet, the only empirical, anecdotal evidence comes from the year-end, hit-the-pavement, exit-interview given by Davis to coach Art Shell.

During the lengthy tongue lashing delivered to Shell on Jan.5, Davis accused Shell of persuading Davis to bypass USC quarterback Matt Leinart

with the seventh pick of last year's draft, according to an eyewitness. "Knowing what we know now, should you have told us to pick Leinart over Huff?"

Davis asked Shell, according to Danny More, Shell's longtime agent. "You set this franchise back 10 years. Now I have to fix it."
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Very interesting...Thanks for sharing that bro.

I honestly don't see Leinart wanting to spend a career with the Cards, so you never know.
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