Kiffin considers Georgia Tech WR Johnson 'basically perfect'

[Slump]

Originally Posted by T-HOWARD

Calvin Johnson will be one of the Greatest Wideouts to play the Game.

That's what everyone was saying about Charles Rodgers a few years ago..

[FanInIraq]

Originally Posted by Slump

That's what everyone was saying about Charles Rodgers a few years ago..

And you would say that he was on par with CJ when he played college?

The fact is, if we draft russel, and pay him 30 mil, and he ends up being a bust, that will destroy this team. I dont care how much you love the raiders and have faith in them, a bust with the #1 pick will send us into a downward spiral that would make the last 4 years look like a cake walk. To avoid a bust with the #1 pick, you go with the most sure thing. And thats CJ.

[BlackOpsSix]

Originally Posted by FanInIraq

And you would say that he was on par with CJ when he played college?

The fact is, if we draft russel, and pay him 30 mil, and he ends up being a bust, that will destroy this team. I dont care how much you love the raiders and have faith in them, a bust with the #1 pick will send us into a downward spiral that would make the last 4 years look like a cake walk. To avoid a bust with the #1 pick, you go with the most sure thing. And thats CJ.

We will be paying CJ a **** load of money as well and if he turns out to be like keyshawn or average wideout we are screwed also

[FanInIraq]

Looking at our production at the wideout position, I would take CJ in a heartbeat. I cant look at anyone in the league right now at the WR position and say to myslef, man he would make CJ look stupid.

He has balzing speed, great hands, great route running, tall, good vertical leap, and the nfl is more reciever friendly these days.

Now in the even that walter doesnt completely suck which I dont think he does, I could see CJ being the most productive WR on our team. He is the type of player that will demand double teams.

I also think there is a much larger difference between a bust at WR and a bust at QB.

[Raider5000]

Didnt you recently post an article "Russell, Quinn appear to top the Raiders' list" LOL....these Articles are getting crazy......

IS IT SATURDAY YET?:???

[silvermouse5150]

i think JRuss and Cjohnson are great choices.
But, the QB touches the ball on every play.
A good game a Wr has 8 touches, true he effects the plays he doesnt catch the ball - but we need a high impact player.

Ive noticed every great Wr had a great Qb, although not many but there have been some really good Qbs w/out a good wr - Elway, Brady, Hasselback, Vince Young, - so i think a Qb would make a bigger impact - but thats just my opinion doesnt make me right.

[CBCOPLEN]

Well, that article pretty much clears up any confusion people may have had about Mr. Davis' confidence in Walter. He has none, and apparently the whole, "he was our top-rated QB that year" was a calculated move to try and get Young or Leinart to fall to us, which Leinart did, but Davis let Shell (WHAT?!? DAVIS LETTING SOMEONE ELSE MAKE A DECISION? SAY IT AIN'T SO. This should also help those who always say Davis needs to hand the reins to someone think twice about WHO he is handing those reins to) have his pick.

[MadBomber24]

Originally Posted by Cotillion

Can he throw the football?

We're deep at WR, and have nothing at QB.

It's pretty simple really.

The Raiders would love to get value out of CJ and still get Russell, but teams know they are faking interest in CJ.

Once again our WR position is not deep in the least.
1. Moss doesnt play when hes on the field. And hes getting up there in age when many players physical skills start to diminish anyway.

2. Porter causes problems for every coach he has played for in the NFL and there is no reason at all to think that will change now so its very clear NEITHER of them can be counted on.

3. Curry for all his heart is a #2 Wr anyway when healthy (a damn good one, but a #2 none the less) and he hasnt been able to stay healthy for very long since he came into the league.

4. Gabriel is a flash guy. He flashes some good plays here or there but never seems to have more than 1 good game in a row. He is a #3 Wr on a bad team and a #4 or 5 wr on a good team.

5. If ANYONE else on our roster has shown the least bit of ability to be more than a spot duty player in the NFL I sure havent seen it. Will Buchanon is nothing. Madsen is a decent WR/ TE tweener but not even close to an every down player. Whitted is James Jett in the new millenium (all speed no hands or physical abilities), and Morant has been an underachiever since leaving HIGH SCHOOL.

Where in the world is the "depth" at WR? No wonder Walter couldnt succeed last year. He didnt have anyone to throw too. He didn t have anyone blocking for him. He had to take 5-7 step drops almost every play with all of the above going on as well. And his Rbs were either injured or ineffective.

We need a playmaker WR. Depth at Qb you can get in the 2nd rounds and lower. You dont take a QB #1 because your team needs depth at that position. You take a QB #1 because you have no Qbs with starting talent on your roster and I feel very strongly that isnt the case in Oakland. We have ONE QB who can play in the NFL and be very effective if given help. CJ is absolutely the help we need.

[MadBomber24]

Originally Posted by silvermouse5150

i think JRuss and Cjohnson are great choices.
But, the QB touches the ball on every play.
A good game a Wr has 8 touches, true he effects the plays he doesnt catch the ball - but we need a high impact player.

Ive noticed every great Wr had a great Qb, although not many but there have been some really good Qbs w/out a good wr - Elway, Brady, Hasselback, Vince Young, - so i think a Qb would make a bigger impact - but thats just my opinion doesnt make me right.

Every great WR had a great QB? Tim Brown never had a GREAT QB.

Herman Moore never had a great QB and he had the league record for most catches in a season for a little while till Marvin smashed it.

There have been MANY great WRs who didnt have great Qbs.

And no great QB has ever been great without a GREAT supporting cast. Elway may not have had HOF receivers, but he certainly had very good ones, who were pro-bowlers (3 amigos, Shannon Sharpe, Rod Lewis).

Brady had some very reliable wrs as well. Notice how they lost a couple of those guys and the O struggled last year for much of the time.

Young barely completed 50% of his passes so how did he make the list as a great QB? He has a VERY long way to go before he can be mentioned in any good QB list.

Hasselback has Jackson who has been one of the better WRs in the league. Jurevicious is a very good WR. Oh and i forget the name of the other WR who is putting up very nice numbers in Seattle. But the point is that Hasselbeck has had very good targets to throw too.

[Mr.Murder]

Originally Posted by Diehardfan

Thats because he had sorry ass Reggie Ball throwing him the ball. Look what he did in the bowl game that Ball didn't play in

That's another argument against him. If we take him we lose out on a quarterback ready to make full use of him.

Thanks for helping clarify that fact.

[Gen_Man]

Can the draft get here fast enough? LOL.

[SJRAIDER]

Originally Posted by Mr.Murder

That's another argument against him. If we take him we lose out on a quarterback ready to make full use of him.

Thanks for helping clarify that fact.

I have to say; If that's your best point you really don't know what your talking about. To quote somebody else earlier in this post. I'm sure glad your on this board and not in our scouting dept. Russell had one good bowl game. Other than that he wouldn't have been in the top 10 this year, and he had that good game against a horrible defense. If you want to make points; how about that one. C.J. was awesome with a horrible QB which boads well for us because Walter will only get better with a little help. And do you really think Moss will play a game for us this year? Hell no!! A good WR can help in a lot of areas. He can help with our running game, and he can help with our passing game meaning opposing defenses can't just pin their ears back every down and blitz the QB. We can win with Walter. Hell we can get a better QB next year in Brian Brohm. But you won't find another WR like C.J. for a long time. He is the total package!!