I am getting sick Nation!

[xlwhellraiser]

Dang, we have become whole bunch of raider owners.

We are just failing to understand whats really going on.

We are whole bunch of people solving raider problems with one sentence or less.

Nobody here knows what Lane is thinking, and sure as hell nobody knows what AL is thinking. All we can do is speculate!!!

What are our problems???

1. Lamont Jordan is a good player. We keep saying that our QB had no chance to flourish behind the O-line, yet we are quick to point Lamont as a ****ty player. God as an RB will not play good behind our O-line!
2. Walter and Brooks. If you are a real NFL analist you would understand that you can't judge these QB's from last years performance. With such a bad O-line they had very little time and tired to acomplish too much. Thats right, you heard it here, neither Brooks, nor Walter should be discarded. Flame me all you want, but the argument is there in black and white.
3. Our recievers did not play worth a ****. ITs true. Everybody is mad at Moss. I am not (not anymore). I understand that with such a bad O-line and a horrible coaching staff that did not show up, it would be hard to play and play hard. Randy has a name to protect, something Curry does not have, and getting injured for a lost season is something Moss did not want to do. We knew that about Randy when we signed up, so you have about 0 reasons to argue with me on that. Porter on the other hand wore a F-U t-shirt four the raider fans, and we are soooo hapy to welcome his punk ass back. I just don't get that one. At least Moss showed up, and was A DECOY! What did Porter do????
4. Curry is a great reciever, he stepped in when the tough got tougher and showed us that he can play. Make no mistake though, if Curry was as famous as Moss, and has been a proven play maker, things on the field would be totally different. He had to show that he can play, it was his chance to shine, and he really had no other choice.
5. Our O-line, there is the biggest problem! We need to fix it ASAP. We have good guys there, but it just did not work, and for the love of me I have no idea why those brutes were beat up by people who were much smaller than them. This is where our draft should should be concentrated on.
6. Tight ends, nothing special, we mostly used them for blocking. I'd pick up a tight end in the draft. It may prove to be one of those positions not many people are looking at, due to its inherent lack of popularity.

What we have here are very decent players who we somehow chose to discard becuase we FEEL like it. Sure Jordan is a hopster, Brooks throws INT's and Walter emulates Collins. Moss gives up, Porter gives up and bashes the fans, and Curry shines (cuz its his moment, he had no choice).

In all reality, all these players are pretty dang decent players. If put in the better situation they would all be doing much, much better.

Kiffin's plan includes Randy and Porter, the QB situation is uncertain, however please STOP bashing these players because of the last season. It was ugly, but the offensive foundation was failing, and the rest of the fort could not be held without it. You can't say the bricks from the top of the forth were bad and fell down, when it was the foundation that crumbled.

The only thing that is really a deciding factor about who stays and who goes, is thier attitude towards the new coach, and the bussiness aspect of it. Not how badly they played, under a horrible O-line. Its the foundation of the team, if the foundation aint solid, aint nothing solid! and lets not even mention Art, Walsh and Co. And whoever said Davis doesn't give autonomy?? Look at kid Kiff!

Whew. Flame on!

[RaiderNationUSA]

Understood! now lets draft JaMarcus Russell!

[LARAIDER]

Originally Posted by RaiderNationUSA

Understood! now lets draft JaMarcus Russell!

[Boy of Destiny]

Can't wait 'til the draft.

[BlackHeart]

Originally Posted by RaiderNationUSA

Understood! now lets draft JaMarcus Russell!

Never that

[xlwhellraiser]

No, No. Please don't start that! It just proves my point even more!

[BlackHeart]

Originally Posted by xlwhellraiser

No, No. Please don't start that! It just proves my point even more!

Well, tell that to Mr. RaiderNationusa !!! He's the trouble maker

[LARAIDER]

Originally Posted by BlackHeart

Never that

[Karl]

"Curry shines (cuz its his moment, he had no choice)."

That was a lame comment.

I agree about our QB and RB situation, but it's going to be hard to pass up on Quinn or Russell.

I'm more forgiving to Porter because he never claimed to be a leader nor was he a captain of the team.

[silver & black]

Originally Posted by xlwhellraiser

Dang, we have become whole bunch of raider owners.

We are just failing to understand whats really going on.

We are whole bunch of people solving raider problems with one sentence or less.

Nobody here knows what Lane is thinking, and sure as hell nobody knows what AL is thinking. All we can do is speculate!!!

What are our problems???

1. Lamont Jordan is a good player. We keep saying that our QB had no chance to flourish behind the O-line, yet we are quick to point Lamont as a ****ty player. God as an RB will not play good behind our O-line!
2. Walter and Brooks. If you are a real NFL analist you would understand that you can't judge these QB's from last years performance. With such a bad O-line they had very little time and tired to acomplish too much. Thats right, you heard it here, neither Brooks, nor Walter should be discarded. Flame me all you want, but the argument is there in black and white.
3. Our recievers did not play worth a ****. ITs true. Everybody is mad at Moss. I am not (not anymore). I understand that with such a bad O-line and a horrible coaching staff that did not show up, it would be hard to play and play hard. Randy has a name to protect, something Curry does not have, and getting injured for a lost season is something Moss did not want to do. We knew that about Randy when we signed up, so you have about 0 reasons to argue with me on that. Porter on the other hand wore a F-U t-shirt four the raider fans, and we are soooo hapy to welcome his punk ass back. I just don't get that one. At least Moss showed up, and was A DECOY! What did Porter do????
4. Curry is a great reciever, he stepped in when the tough got tougher and showed us that he can play. Make no mistake though, if Curry was as famous as Moss, and has been a proven play maker, things on the field would be totally different. He had to show that he can play, it was his chance to shine, and he really had no other choice.
5. Our O-line, there is the biggest problem! We need to fix it ASAP. We have good guys there, but it just did not work, and for the love of me I have no idea why those brutes were beat up by people who were much smaller than them. This is where our draft should should be concentrated on.
6. Tight ends, nothing special, we mostly used them for blocking. I'd pick up a tight end in the draft. It may prove to be one of those positions not many people are looking at, due to its inherent lack of popularity.

What we have here are very decent players who we somehow chose to discard becuase we FEEL like it. Sure Jordan is a hopster, Brooks throws INT's and Walter emulates Collins. Moss gives up, Porter gives up and bashes the fans, and Curry shines (cuz its his moment, he had no choice).

In all reality, all these players are pretty dang decent players. If put in the better situation they would all be doing much, much better.

Kiffin's plan includes Randy and Porter, the QB situation is uncertain, however please STOP bashing these players because of the last season. It was ugly, but the offensive foundation was failing, and the rest of the fort could not be held without it. You can't say the bricks from the top of the forth were bad and fell down, when it was the foundation that crumbled.

The only thing that is really a deciding factor about who stays and who goes, is thier attitude towards the new coach, and the bussiness aspect of it. Not how badly they played, under a horrible O-line. Its the foundation of the team, if the foundation aint solid, aint nothing solid! and lets not even mention Art, Walsh and Co. And whoever said Davis doesn't give autonomy?? Look at kid Kiff!

Whew. Flame on!

How many problems did all those sentences solve?

[Attyla]

Discussing how we see the team and our desire to comment on opportunities that we hope for is all good bro

No flaming, but we are the fans, we have a voice

[BlackOpsSix]

Originally Posted by xlwhellraiser

Dang, we have become whole bunch of raider owners.

We are just failing to understand whats really going on.

We are whole bunch of people solving raider problems with one sentence or less.

Nobody here knows what Lane is thinking, and sure as hell nobody knows what AL is thinking. All we can do is speculate!!!

What are our problems???

1. Lamont Jordan is a good player. We keep saying that our QB had no chance to flourish behind the O-line, yet we are quick to point Lamont as a ****ty player. God as an RB will not play good behind our O-line!
2. Walter and Brooks. If you are a real NFL analist you would understand that you can't judge these QB's from last years performance. With such a bad O-line they had very little time and tired to acomplish too much. Thats right, you heard it here, neither Brooks, nor Walter should be discarded. Flame me all you want, but the argument is there in black and white.
3. Our recievers did not play worth a ****. ITs true. Everybody is mad at Moss. I am not (not anymore). I understand that with such a bad O-line and a horrible coaching staff that did not show up, it would be hard to play and play hard. Randy has a name to protect, something Curry does not have, and getting injured for a lost season is something Moss did not want to do. We knew that about Randy when we signed up, so you have about 0 reasons to argue with me on that. Porter on the other hand wore a F-U t-shirt four the raider fans, and we are soooo hapy to welcome his punk ass back. I just don't get that one. At least Moss showed up, and was A DECOY! What did Porter do????
4. Curry is a great reciever, he stepped in when the tough got tougher and showed us that he can play. Make no mistake though, if Curry was as famous as Moss, and has been a proven play maker, things on the field would be totally different. He had to show that he can play, it was his chance to shine, and he really had no other choice.
5. Our O-line, there is the biggest problem! We need to fix it ASAP. We have good guys there, but it just did not work, and for the love of me I have no idea why those brutes were beat up by people who were much smaller than them. This is where our draft should should be concentrated on.
6. Tight ends, nothing special, we mostly used them for blocking. I'd pick up a tight end in the draft. It may prove to be one of those positions not many people are looking at, due to its inherent lack of popularity.

What we have here are very decent players who we somehow chose to discard becuase we FEEL like it. Sure Jordan is a hopster, Brooks throws INT's and Walter emulates Collins. Moss gives up, Porter gives up and bashes the fans, and Curry shines (cuz its his moment, he had no choice).

In all reality, all these players are pretty dang decent players. If put in the better situation they would all be doing much, much better.

Kiffin's plan includes Randy and Porter, the QB situation is uncertain, however please STOP bashing these players because of the last season. It was ugly, but the offensive foundation was failing, and the rest of the fort could not be held without it. You can't say the bricks from the top of the forth were bad and fell down, when it was the foundation that crumbled.

The only thing that is really a deciding factor about who stays and who goes, is thier attitude towards the new coach, and the bussiness aspect of it. Not how badly they played, under a horrible O-line. Its the foundation of the team, if the foundation aint solid, aint nothing solid! and lets not even mention Art, Walsh and Co. And whoever said Davis doesn't give autonomy?? Look at kid Kiff!

Whew. Flame on!

Good Post I'm with ya its going to take at least two years to turn this around in the right direction Any time you change philosophy on your team your personal does not fit via players coaches. Thats been one big promblem with the Raiders have to stay Stable so you can draft and bring in the right players that fit your system not turning your players and personal around every three years.