Moss needs to go now

[ApOcAlYpSe]

Randy Moss needs to be traded. Now. With a new, young head coach coming in, there is an extreme danger that Moss, on his own, could completely undermine Kiffen. Perhaps a veteran coach would be able to handle the situation, but I can just see where Moss would be highly skeptical about such a green coach coming in. Other players might be just as skeptical, but Moss has shown that he has a hard time with the "team" concept, moreso than anyone else on the Raiders. I see him as poison for a new coaching staff, especially given what he's displayed over the past year.

I am very excited about our new coach, but I worry that Moss could potentially ruin this chance to make a long term turnaround with a bad attitude, or, just as bad, indifference. He could still command a decent trade, and the less time he has around Kiffen and the team in general, the better.

Just my $.02

[buckwild187]

Moss probably had to go anyway because he rolled over and died last season (admittedly, too). We need to trick Detroit into trading their 1st rounder for him.

[hanuma]

What you're describing sounds exactly like Porter last season....completely unconvinced about the new regime and undermined it from the start because the coaches were incapable of properly controlling the situation and making it clear to everyone what was going on and why.

It's really not worth saying "get rid of so and so..." that decision is for the coaches to make after talking with the players.

If a guy doesn't buy the system Kiffen wants to put in place or whatever, then trade him, but it is still worth talking to them to see if they are interested in what Kiffen and co have to sell.

If the Raiders were to get rid of Moss before Kiffen even got a chance to say Hi, I'm doubtful he would appreciate it. Need to have confidence in his ability to man-manage.

[psly2124]

Moss still has a lot of football left in him. Art and Walsh were horrible and failed to maximize his big play abilities. The offense was ancient and could not work and the players new it. Moss will have a big season this year and trading someone at there low is never a good idea. We should keep the trio of Porter, Curry and Moss and this offensive can put up some points. We just need to protect Walter or Russell and give them time. I think the hire of Kiffen was a good move and he might be able to point this oprganization in the right direction.

[or24]

NO! wait until after the draft if were gonna trade him. otherwise al is sure to take calvin johnson or jarrett(depending on pick). I dont beleive in drafting wr's that early. wr's cant take you anywhere. you cant build around them. thats been proven with our combo of wideouts.

[or24]

Originally Posted by psly2124

Moss still has a lot of football left in him. Art and Walsh were horrible and failed to maximize his big play abilities. The offense was ancient and could not work and the players new it. Moss will have a big season this year and trading someone at there low is never a good idea. We should keep the trio of Porter, Curry and Moss and this offensive can put up some points. We just need to protect Walter or Russell and give them time. I think the hire of Kiffen was a good move and he might be able to point this oprganization in the right direction.

i agree, coaches hindered his talent, then moss just gave up. but im still for trading him if we can get something of value in return, as long as it doesnt mean we take johnson with the 1st ovrall pick.

[hanuma]

Moss, Porter, Curry and Gabriel is still a potentially fantastic unit.

Let's just see whether the first 2 can be brought back into the fold. If they show any signs of reluctance then their hearts won't be in it and we get to trading them.

[ApOcAlYpSe]

Originally Posted by hanuma

What you're describing sounds exactly like Porter last season....completely unconvinced about the new regime and undermined it from the start because the coaches were incapable of properly controlling the situation and making it clear to everyone what was going on and why.

Good point, Porter was just like that last year. He never gave Shell a chance. However, I still think this is a more dangerous situation because of Moss's high profile and Kiffen's lack of experience. Shell, for better or worse, was able to steel himself against the criticism, its hard to say how Kiffen would react.

It's really not worth saying "get rid of so and so..." that decision is for the coaches to make after talking with the players.

I also agree here, it is the coaching staff's decision to make. However, the potential issue just jumped out at me and I thought it might worth addressing the Moss issue from this perspective- that is, his future relationship with this specific coach.

If a guy doesn't buy the system Kiffen wants to put in place or whatever, then trade him, but it is still worth talking to them to see if they are interested in what Kiffen and co have to sell.

So what if Moss says he buys into it, then 4 losses later decides that he'd rather not be there? I just don't know if its worth that risk to keep him around, no matter what he might say in March or April or any time before the season starts.

If the Raiders were to get rid of Moss before Kiffen even got a chance to say Hi, I'm doubtful he would appreciate it. Need to have confidence in his ability to man-manage.

I didn't mean "now" to me at this moment, before his press conference...Although I suppose technically thats what it means. I'd just prefer the Raiders minimize what I think will be a very negative impact on the team and the coaches.

[djh_raider]

I just wonder how much Moss has left in the tank. Regardless of how he played (or didn't) the latter part of 2006, he seems to be gun-shy since that hit that injured him in the Chargers game in 2005. He was never a great route runner at the best of times and, if his catching ability and speed is diminishing, his career may well be on the way down. He will never be like Brown or Rice who played on until their late 30's and beyond.

They also showed the Vikings Championship game from a few years ago when they got beat by the Falcons. Moss gator-armed 1 pass in the end zone that would have been a TD and at least 1 other. So he probably has not got that much worse there.

I am sure the topic of Moss (and Porter and others!) would have come up in Kiffin's discussions with Al. What he plans to do will remain to be seen. However, I doubt Al will give up Moss unless he can get a 1st Round pick for him.

[newfraider]

Personally, I think Davis blames Moss and Porter on Shell. I don't think Davis will get rid of Moss. Maybe Porter. But I feel Davis thinks we already have a very strong Receiver core, and with the right coach will be dangerous. Just a gut feeling.

[cat444]

he will be trade to atlanta or green-bay, i think he lives in wisconsin and favre who will play another year wants another good target. also packers are i think 34 millions under the cap

[MWRaider]

Moss needs to start next season out by catching a few long ones for TDs the first game, then step it up as the season progresses. That would fix a lot of what is wrong in the Moss Dept.

[ApOcAlYpSe]

Originally Posted by newfraider

Personally, I think Davis blames Moss and Porter on Shell. I don't think Davis will get rid of Moss. Maybe Porter. But I feel Davis thinks we already have a very strong Receiver core, and with the right coach will be dangerous. Just a gut feeling.

I have the same feeling. In previous posts I've advocated keeping both of them around, but like I said I just worry that last season ruined Moss in this organization for good.

[ApOcAlYpSe]

I go back and forth on this issue a lot, now that I think about it. Tomorrow I'll probably take the opposite position. I guess I'm just glad I don't have to make these decisions sometimes.