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Ra1derfan53 · #16 (**permalink**) 01-08-2007, 06:18 AM

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I dont think its the dont want to coach the Raiders. I think it has more to do with how they believe Davis runs his team. IMO they dont want to work for him.

that is exactly why. We could have had Payton or Mora Jr. but they decided to say no when Al wouldnt let them have at least some control of the team. I think Al needs to change with the times, no more vertical game and he needs to get with the program about letting your head coach hire HIS staff

silver_ghost · #17 (**permalink**) 01-08-2007, 06:21 AM

I am glad that Sarkisian said he wants the job. Atleast this quiten the jackasses on ESPn.

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Originally Posted by jimi18

If you heard what the jackasses on ESPN were saying yesterday,
it was espn news, but they said that no one really wants the raiders job, cause it is just too much in the dumps.. too much work, and it will be hard to find a canidate.

Al Davis or not... if Al gave me the chance i would jump on it!

Hungary87 · #18 (**permalink**) 01-08-2007, 06:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Gen_Man

The media creates this theory that nobody wants to coach the Raiders. Like you, I don't by into it.

Take a look at the last three coaching hires. That has to make you serious consider that there just might be something to this "theory".

I hear people bashing Art Shell all season and criticize personnel decisions and so on. Then people say it's just a myth that nobody wants to come here. I suppose Sean Payton, Al Saunders and Petrino turning it down, that's just conspiracy theory?

Listen to some of the Raider official statements and press releases, they just about say it straight out (eg "There is only one reliable source in the Raiders organization"), and read between the lines it's all there: Al Davis runs the Raiders and wants things done his way.

Hell, 30 years ago people said Al Davis was running the whole operation and Madden was a puppet. I don't know what goes on inside the Raider organization, but the signs are not good. It may be hyped up by the media but at the core of it I suspect it's true.

silver_ghost · #19 (**permalink**) 01-08-2007, 06:36 AM

Let me ask you a hypothetical question, suppose tomorrow Al Davis announces the Oakland Raiders HC job is worth 5 mill/year for the right guy. How many guys do you think will turn up for the interview ?

BTW, even after the Art debacle atleast Jim Mora jr has expressed interest in the Job. As long as one established coach is interested in the job, I will say it's a myth that nobody is interested in the job. Won't you agree ?

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Originally Posted by Hungary87

Take a look at the last three coaching hires. That has to make you serious consider that there just might be something to this "theory".

I hear people bashing Art Shell all season and criticize personnel decisions and so on. Then people say it's just a myth that nobody wants to come here. I suppose Sean Payton, Al Saunders and Petrino turning it down, that's just conspiracy theory?

Listen to some of the Raider official statements and press releases, they just about say it straight out (eg "There is only one reliable source in the Raiders organization"), and read between the lines it's all there: Al Davis runs the Raiders and wants things done his way.

Hell, 30 years ago people said Al Davis was running the whole operation and Madden was a puppet. I don't know what goes on inside the Raider organization, but the signed are not good. It may be hyped up by the media but at the core of it I suspect it's true.

**ghosttothepost** · #20 (**permalink**) 01-08-2007, 06:39 AM

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Originally Posted by jimi18

after hearing and reading so many comments on how NObody wants to come here and coach the raiders....

well is seems to me if anyone were a "good" coach, would'nt they want the challenge of trying to take a team from dismay to glory??
or do most coaches want to go to a team that is all ready set up for them to be in the play-offs??

i just do not buy into all this crap that NO one wants to coach the Raiders.

JMHO (just MY humble opinion)

its called show me the money! We can get somebody good- not everybody will turn down the big $$$

Hungary87 · #21 (**permalink**) 01-08-2007, 07:52 AM

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Originally Posted by silver_ghost

Let me ask you a hypothetical question, suppose tomorrow Al Davis announces the Oakland Raiders HC job is worth 5 mill/year for the right guy. How many guys do you think will turn up for the interview ?

BTW, even after the Art debacle atleast Jim Mora jr has expressed interest in the Job. As long as one established coach is interested in the job, I will say it's a myth that nobody is interested in the job. Won't you agree ?

Candidates have shown interest, but they have not taken the job. Payton - it turns out - would have been a great choice. Al recognized his potential, because he still has the eye for talent. But he couldn't get him on board. Did Payton (or Wisenhunt, Petrino, etc) turn down the job or was he never offered the job? It may not matter.

I can just imagine the interview.

Al Davis: So, what do you think about the vertical offense?
Candidate: I think it's a relic from the 1960s.
AD: Uh...right then. We'll get back to you.

mramirez · #22 (**permalink**) 01-08-2007, 08:00 AM

With a a team as young as ours on Defense, the 1st rnd pick and Moss, the Oakland vacancy would be a huge attraction to a lot of coaches. But Al has control of the team. That's one of the main reasons big names do not come to Oakland.

**OaklandRdr** · #23 (**permalink**) 01-08-2007, 08:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Bo_Knows34

ESPN is clueless. If anything the current state of the team should make it more appealing to a coach, not less. The media bash Al Davis and the Raiders so much that if a new coach comes in and goes 2-14 it is Al Davis's fault, not the coach's. Besides, it isn't like the whole team is in disarray. There are maybe 5 players that really need to be shown the door (Moss, Porter, B Simms, A Brooks to start), the defense is set, and we have draft picks galore this year. What's not to like. I would do the job for free if they gave me food and a place to live.

Bingo!

**Raider_Len** · #24 (**permalink**) 01-08-2007, 08:54 AM

Most of it’s media garbage. There's so many gullible parrots on this site and all around, it just gets legs.

**Jimi18** · #25 (**permalink**) 01-08-2007, 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by MadBomber24

The Raiders not being set up for the playoffs has nothing to do with why no one wants the job. It is the way the team has been run and how the players are supported over the coach. Coaches love the challenge of building a team but they have no opportunity to do so here. The coaching staff is decided by the front office for the most part, the players are brought in by the front office and the coach does not have control of much other than setting up and running practice. A good coach wants a job where they are allowed to do things their way. In Oakland the ONLY way things are done is Al's way. I know with out a doubt that Al's way can still work, but it makes things much harder bringing in a guy from the outside with experience. Thats why Al loves those young inexperienced head coaches that he can basically (for lack of a better word) "train" to do things his way.

Yea, i am starting to realize that is more and more becoming an issue... I was glad to be able to keep Rob ryan and still do, but the HC should be able to get an OC, if we do not have strength in that rea...

and just for the record, i did not mean that since were was not a play-off type team, i just meant it seems like a coach would want to show he is a good coach by turning something around.. like Gruden did here..
not someone who will take a team that is well built, so they can make a first time shot at the SB, like Gruden did in tampa....

KahShunKidd77 · #26 (**permalink**) 01-08-2007, 04:32 PM

I think it all comes down to
1.) Who wants to coach the Raiders
and 2.) Who we want to coach the Raiders
Alot of times the people we want are'nt neccessarily the ones who want the job

RaiderSithLord · #27 (**permalink**) 01-08-2007, 05:35 PM

I think that a lot of it is overblown.... But who knows?

hanuma · #28 (**permalink**) 01-08-2007, 05:43 PM

There isn't a single other job in the league that would give a coach more acclaim and more credibility than if he was a success with the Raiders.

There are definitely people in the league that want to see us succeed too, that think the Raiders NEED to be a force every year (now that we've had a substantial down turn)....our "franchise" is so marketable that the NFL would be foolish not to want that. Basically, the point I'm making is that for however many mongs there are out there that want to propogate this rumour that the Raiders are uncoachable or the Raiders only answer to one man, there are one or two level headed people flying underneath the radar that know the truth.

Jimi 18 is right....and I'd add that you'd have to be a fool to listen to anything the media says, because the second you DO succeed with us, that very same media will be s***** your dick till the end of time....Madden style.