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Tkj565 · #16 (**permalink**) 01-02-2007, 03:13 AM

quote "I think all of these HC coming here is alittle soon it sounds like shell will be back so we are just waisting our time talking about possible head coaches" -raidersfo34
now thats all im saying every1 wants him gone but the reality is he will likely stay another year, no need to attack me.

**raiderfos34** · #17 (**permalink**) 01-02-2007, 03:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Raiders Own You

Shell isn't a good coach. Shell should be fired today

We all see that but does the raiders organization see it that way?

cat444 · #18 (**permalink**) 01-02-2007, 03:19 AM

forget shell, petrino as hc or rivera, forget martz and mora

**DarkLordAlDavis** · #19 (**permalink**) 01-02-2007, 03:19 AM

Forget the new O.C. Our horror and abomination of a H.C Art Shell needs to go. Why would the Nation even want a H.C who's success depends on his OC/DC because he is so clueless??

Shell will ruin any O.C worth his salt because he is so utterly clueless in regards to anything related to the o-side of the ball. Shell would ruin Martz as an O.C because he would cut the Martz playbook from 700 pages down to 7 because that's all he can comprehend........

Al needs to make another run at Petrino....

guydon · #20 (**permalink**) 01-02-2007, 03:22 AM

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Originally Posted by HITMAN

Shell is not a good coach, so why is this issue even being debated?

It's being debated because shell not being a good coach is YOUR opinion. Secondly Shell deserves one more year because of what he has meant to this team in the past though out the years..it is called loyalty. Changing the HC every year is not going to make things better. Let him clean house and see what happens.

**UK Raider** · #21 (**permalink**) 01-02-2007, 03:27 AM

How can you say Shell needs a second year because of loyality what about us fans who have continued to watch this team lose.....

You don't keep a person who fails because of loyality....I cannot believe anyone should be kept on for that reason.....

So Guydon the only reason you want to give Shell a second season is because he's loyal....If he was not a Raider great you would want him fired......

Raidermaiden · #22 (**permalink**) 01-02-2007, 03:32 AM

It is not a question of loyalty Art Shell needs to go because we are going to have a mess on our hands if he is not let go, already defensive players are hinting that they may want to be traded, who knows what some of the good coaching staff is thinking right now if Art stays maybe going to greener pastures. Free Agents will not come here if they know we will not succeed because of a incompetent coach, our number one pick will not want to come here and that will be embarrassing just like it was for San Diego and it probably will not turn out as good as it turned out for San Diego our luck does not run that way lately. If it was anybody other than the hall of famer Art Shell you would probably be calling for his head.

signal · #23 (**permalink**) 01-02-2007, 04:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Tkj565

im just saying in reality if we hired a new coach this franhise will be where it was last year. give him another years see what happens, lets not put all the blame on him.

What did Turner achieve in his second year that he did not achieve in his first? This year, there was no sign of progress whatsoever....in fact we took steps backwards.....and that is difficult when you were already a 4 - 12 team. By the way the Jets brought in a new coach this year, they were as bad as we were last year....and look what they are doing. Why is everyone so freaked about bringing in another HC? To keep Shell another year will only slow the necessary rebuilding process by one year. It simply makes no sense to me.

raterfann · #24 (**permalink**) 01-02-2007, 04:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Tkj565

im just saying in reality if we hired a new coach this franhise will be where it was last year. give him another years see what happens, lets not put all the blame on him.

Troy Smith

**vmmalian** · #25 (**permalink**) 01-02-2007, 04:26 AM

With all due respect to Art... what, if anything, has Art done to warrant the statement that he's a good coach. I think any legacy that he might have had from his first coaching run is gone. The players do not like him period. You have listed a who's who of good up and coming or well regarded coaches and or coordinators in football. As long as Al severely underpays his coaching staff and at the same time undercuts their authority you will not see any of them coming here. Whisenhunt didn't want to even come here (Cowher warned him). I think Parcells may have even warned Payton about us. Gruden was the diamond in the rough that Al discovered quite accidentally... and then proceeded to treat very badly. It's no wonder that he wanted out the first chance he had. I don't buy the family excuses that Gruden gave. If he had gotten the well deserved extension after the first AFC championship game... we would still have Gruden today and would have had one more superbowl trophy in the case.

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Originally Posted by Tkj565

Art Shell should stay and we need to hire a bad ass coach as OC... we got a good defense, and Shell is a good coach... We need to get rid of Moss, Porter, and anyone else who's a cancer... Like Mike Nolan did and look where it took them... Im hoping Al Davis keeps Shell and allows him to trade or release these players, trade perferablly. Anyone know who? Jim Fassel? If Saben goes, does the whole staff over there get rehauled? If so Murlarky? Whisenhunt or Grimm from the Steelers? How about Leach from Texas Tech? Or a Lane Kiffen from USC? Mike Sherman from the Texans? Anyone have any ideas if Art Shell remains HC, Rob Ryan as DC, who will be OC?

**raiderArt** · #26 (**permalink**) 01-02-2007, 04:36 AM

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Originally Posted by OG BAMM BAMM

I would suggest Carl Smith, he was at USC for a period of time.

here's a link to him

http://www.jaguars.com/Team/Bio/2585.asp

good choice.

I would also recommend (or hope) they look at these two from the Bengals staff for OC:

Ken Zampese
http://www.bengals.com/team/coach.asp?coach_id=13

Hue Jackson
http://www.bengals.com/team/coach.asp?coach_id=14

And offensive line coach:

Jim Michalczik
http://calbears.cstv.com/sports/m-fo...zik_jim00.html

**vmmalian** · #27 (**permalink**) 01-02-2007, 04:39 AM

You do list some great possibilities though Tkj565. Lane Kiffen is a fantastic OC. Whisenhunt also calls an offense that is more throwback and Raideresque and requires strong offensive line play and great running. Whisenhunt didn't wan't to interview last year so I don't think we could get him when he's likely to take over for Cowher this year. I'm not so sure about Mularky... he was unspectacular as a head coach though I don't recall the details right now (I believe he was Bufallo's HC... correct me if I'm wrong). What about Mora for HC (if Art goes)... though he and his fellow assistant from the 49'ers refused to interview with us prior to taking the Falcons job 3 seasons ago.

I think Art should go but in no way do a mean to disrespect the guy. He is a Raider through and through and when just about everyone refused to step up to the table last year Art said he was ready to come home and serve our team. I give him his due for bleeding silver and black. I do wonder why he never got another chance to head coach after we fired him... he served as some sort of assistant at both Atlanta and KC. That probably should tell us something. I don't think race has anything to do with it as there are a number of black coaches throughout the league (though Green was just fired today).

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Originally Posted by Tkj565

Art Shell should stay and we need to hire a bad ass coach as OC... we got a good defense, and Shell is a good coach... We need to get rid of Moss, Porter, and anyone else who's a cancer... Like Mike Nolan did and look where it took them... Im hoping Al Davis keeps Shell and allows him to trade or release these players, trade perferablly. Anyone know who? Jim Fassel? If Saben goes, does the whole staff over there get rehauled? If so Murlarky? Whisenhunt or Grimm from the Steelers? How about Leach from Texas Tech? Or a Lane Kiffen from USC? Mike Sherman from the Texans? Anyone have any ideas if Art Shell remains HC, Rob Ryan as DC, who will be OC?

Raiderrooter · #28 (**permalink**) 01-02-2007, 04:54 AM

You know this is such a tough call. On one hand Shell and his staff have been pudrit with the exception of the coach he inherited in Ryan, so based on that he should be let go. However constantly changing coaches is not productive either. Then you think well they are going to get a new OC so in essence your consistency is out the widow there so what does it matter if the HC is different. Flip side with the exception of a few the team continued to play hard for Shell right through to the end. While the results stunk I never saw anyplayer mail it in. With the exception of a certain rec I constanrly saw players trying to make plays so that has to be a plus on Shells side. But the fact that some players were becoming or became a cancer is one to many thats a negative on Shell. So basically what I'm saying is I'm on the fence with this one. If Shell were to be let go I guess it wouldn't stun me or would I say its a bad thing and if he were to stay that wouldn't shock me either nor would I completely mind it from the consistancy standpoint.