Admittedly it is debatable how far along we were, but 8-8 is better than 4-12 any way you slice it. Especially when you consider we finished 1-8 down the stretch with 3 of our wins coming against 2 win teams. And outside of Denver the division was every bit as crappy this season so it is pretty obvious we took a step back.
Also I admit the Lotto analogy was stretching it a little to make the point, but I think it is safe to say that there are literally hundreds more coaches that were failures than the 15-20 success stories you mentioned. Also most of those people took over teams that had comparable or worse records before they became the coach, which is not so for DA. As I said I hope DA works out because I am sick of the losing, as I am sure we all are. I'm just personally not seeing a lot of reason for optimism.
I don't know if DA will be a great head coach, statistically speaking it's unlikely, but thats no reason to give up on him after one season. As op shows even great coaches can have a slew start to their carreers, especially when they are taking over to start a rebuild. Anyone who claims we weren't starting a rebuild is lieing to themselves. We were starting one under Al when we lost Ninamdi and Miller, we just didn't realize it because we won 8 games on a very easy scheduale.
When your best pass rusher and cornerback are that mediocre it really shouldn't be that hard to replace them. Especially if Reggie is the great talent evaluator people claim. We are talking about Kamerion Winmbley and Stanford Routt right? Heck, I would have helped Routt pack his bags he sucked so much.
Belichek failed with the Browns before landing the Patriot gig.
So Allen needs to be fired from here, and hired elsewhere to be a winner after one year of mediocrity? Or we should be looking for that one time HC retreads? Where's that list, Singletary, Nolan....yes, that pile is pretty darn impressive.
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Comparing DA to Art Shell 2.0 and Bugel is comparing apples to oranges. Bugel had a serious squad with talent and made them them a terrible team. Why was there even Art Shell 2.0 considering he couldn't get it done with Marcus Allen and Bo Jack? You are entitled to your opinion and I respect that.
I am not definitely not drinking cool-aid, I do enough of that working for the Air Force. I'm just trying to show a different prospective and trying to be one of the few positive people on this board. I'm convinced we could win the next 3 superbowls and somehow, someone would find a way to be sour about it.
I could just as easily argue that both Cable and Hue (in a sense, Cable even more so) should've gotten the coach of the year award, all things considered. For example, in a game I thought we would lose for sure, Cable stated he had 'gotten the green light' to blitz more and he and Marshall dialed up blitzes at the right time. McNabb was running for his life and looked like a fish out of water. Cable also stripped Knapp of play calling duties, so he was essentially a first time HC (at the NFL level) along with OC duties (remember who the QBs were?), and went 8-8. Coach of the year candidate if I ever saw one.
Hue, a rookie HC, lost Al Davis and basically had to assume GM duties. He also had Bresnahan as a DC. Our defensive breakdowns are responsible for at least another 2 wins, which should've had us at 10-6 that year. Coach of the year candidate, all things considered? I think so.
Our offense was absolute garbage this year. Between both DA and Knapp, they hadn't figured out what Reece could do. Are you kidding me? I'm pretty sure most of the NFL, along with just about everybody here, knew exactly what Reece could do. I believe there were at least another 2 games DA could've and should've won, making this a 6-10 team minimum. I won't mention which games, because I'm sure you'd disagree, based on your comment that we're realistically a 2-win team.
So no, I don't believe 9-7 (stretching at 8-8) is out of the realm of possibility when DA and Tarver can no longer use the rookie excuse and when we're picking #3 overall. Cable and Hue got to 8-8 in their first year (Cable's first FULL year), so why can't DA in his second?
I don't know how you can even compare the 2, one was a team on the decline while the other was on its way up (even if up was just mediocre)
How can you say the team regressed? They won 3 of their last 5 games! How did we finish?
How can you compare the two when their average loss was less than a touchdown. They were competitive in almost every football game. How many games were we competitive in?
This is not even a debate because your talking apples and oranges. I will accept your point that one year is too soon but everyone's problem isn't the win/loss recorded, it's how incompetent and non competitive we were as the year went on.
How is 3 straight years of getting worse not a trend? And while I do agree we were far from Super Bowl ready, I don't buy for a second we weren't more talented than 4-12. We really did not lose much of anything from a team that had won 16 games over the previous 2 years. The talent level imo, was comparable to 2010 and 2011 but we had far worse results. I have no problem with people being optimistic, but they should understand that not everyone is going to be the same way (especially after the last decade of futility.)
In the case of DA many ppl here like to try and cover **** up with sugar. Maybe next year he will look like #1 instead of #2 (****) which is still pretty bad but should be good enough for many.
They were competitive though esspecially on defense. They only lost 2 games by more than one score that year. The 2001 Pats actually started horribly too and looked like a terrible team losing 3 of 4 and 4 of 7 before going on a tear. Got destroyed a couple of times too in those first 7 games while also registering a couple of blowouts as well.
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