1. Tom Cable (actually his contract expired)
He got results, first season in a while that was not a losing season. He gets fired because the OC was going to leave and be a HC somewhere else and Al really liked the OC.
2. Hue Jackson
Was 1 game away from the playoffs and was fired for assuming a GM role when there wasnt a GM and the Owner/Gm died midseason.
Other than that, coaches were fired for bad performances.
If I were a head coach, the question I would ask myself would be, "Am I a better coach than DA?". If so, I take the job.
Gruden is not saying, I wont take this job because if I do a good job I may get fired as well. NFL, stands for 'NOT FOR LONG' if you dont get results. Thats all over the league, not just in Oakland.
Im ANY work environment this is true. You cannot be BAD at your job and expect to keep it just because the company wants consistency. If any CEO did that he would be irresponsible. DA needs to take responsibility for his decisions and this teams performance.
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it isn't just about time.. it's about knowing what you have to work with.. and guess what this years coaches didn't have a f*ckin clue of.. they didn't even come in and say "HEY WE NEED TO CHANGE THE WHOLE SH*T UP and go 4-12 this year!".. they are only saying it after the fact as a cop-out...just like many MANY diluted fans.
These coaches don't know the first thing about accountability or what they have to work with.. that's the problem. Ida never hired these guys in the first place. And if you tell me you know RMs agenda you are full of sh*t. None of us do. I'm just hoping Mark Davis is willing to finally get to the bottom of this crapfest.
1. The cap situation
2. No draft picks
3. Constant coaching turnover, you uproot your family, and DA is gone in a year or two, said OC is gone too.
We are limited to guys that want to move from position coach to OC. A guy who has failed in the past and has no options, but position coach (Knapp). Or a guy who is in a Tarver situation. Lots of years in the NFL, but never moved up the ladder and went on to NCAA football. We are in a bad situation. It will take time to clean up our reputation, lack of draft picks to help a coach build and keep his job, and cap room to make a coaches team better. I feel we have been very lucky with Tarver. It could have been much, much worse. If we have the guy we want at head coach on the hook then it would be a total house cleaning. The fan dream is a guy like Gruden comes in, and with his reputation brings a good staff. Highly unlikely though.
A no name coach has a slim chance of lasting in Oakland, so it would be much different if we landed a Gruden type. Coaches would assume he would get all the time he needed, as opposed to Allen. Allen is probably 2 and out at best so every coach on his staff is a lame duck. Oakland is a hard to win situation for the reasons listed above. Only a desperate man who fits the description of Knapp, and his dream of being a head coach and a Tarver type would take Coordinator jobs. We need to find that Tarver type guy for the offense. Allen brought in a guy that failed in Oakland before, why did he create this mess? Fans will have Knapp on a short leash and stop attending games. People hate Knapp, and a lot of it has to do with his failures in Oakland before. Fans will have no patience for a guy who is calling the plays, has failed before, and the running game has fell off the map with him as the OC.
The coaching job in Oakland will take time to find it's way back to being a desirable job. It starts with the cap getting sorted out, and the not trading draft picks. Last but not least, giving a head coach some time. If Mark is in the middle of hiring Jon Gruden , well a name coach can bypass all of that. He can bring in a staff on his name alone, and help this organization to move forward.
And by the way, if you think these coaches have 'control' over this team, you don't know what control is.
Cable and Marshall were not fired for WHAT they did, it was HOW they did it. you need to learn the difference.
And Cable wasn't fired, his contract expired and Hue was promoted.
Keep spreading your anti-Al propaganda though.
Based on the decision making he has demonstrated so far, I would say DA is closer to Mike White, Joe Bugel, Eric Mangini, or any other coach with a career losing record. DA is 4-11, soon to be 4-12 as a HC in this league. He took a team that was one game away from the playoffs last season and has proceeded to underachieve in every facet of the game. How long do we wait for DA to catch on? Where are the signs that things are about to improve?
Defense is supposedly his forte. You can plainly see how the Denver defense is flourishing under Jack DelRio and playing far better than it ever did when DA was DC.
Reggie needs to learn to use his head when hiring the next head coach. All indications are his "gut" decision has failed.
Tim Tebow ran that offense. Peyton Manning comes on the field, and does whatever he wants. Long drives and chews clock or scores quick, then D comes on the field, and the Denver D pins their ear back because the opponent is trailing. Denver D is in a situation very few teams are EVER IN. It takes a Hall of Famer to do that. Allen would look just as good with Miller coming into his second year and the best pass rusher in the league pinning his ears back and doing what he does well. That D will be tested in the play-offs. Can they win it all? Is Peyton good enough to do that for them? Will there pass rush look like the NY Giants and dominate a game? The Denver D will be responsible for whether or not they win it all, because Peyton is going to do what eh does. Guess what? They won't win it all, because it's mostly Peyton Manning.
1. Those guys inherited teams that were worse. DA inherited an 8-8 team. The team went 8-8 the 2 previous years and if it were not for major injuries probably would have easily won the AFC west the previous year.
2. The average loss for the Raiders this year is 20+ points. The average loss for those teams is more like 8 points...yes I did the research...So those teams were at the least competitive and one possession here or there would have done wonders, for the 2012 Raiders, one possession wouldnt make a difference at all since we average 3 possession losses.
3. Those coaches didnt doo things that baffled experts and fans alike. If you asked 100 High School, College or NFL coaches...
In a close game you are down by 9 points and your defense is holding the opposition scoreless in the 2nd half. You have the ball in the red zone and the most consistent kicker in the league under 40 years (hasnt missed one). Its 4th down and 4. Your backup QB is in and there is 6 minutes left in the 4th. Do you Kick a FG, and then put your stout D pack on the field, or go for it on 4th and 4?
NO ONE would say go for it.
Yet thats exactly what DA did. Dont you want a coach to make a GOOD decision to help his team win? You cant chalk that up to Rookie HC inexperience, A Pee Wee coach should know that!
I would still hire DelRio over DA or Tarver as DC, all things being equal.
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