Sadly, I Think Knapp Will Remain OC For 2013 (Merge)

[Sea Of Hands]

Would you (and others) be in favor of keeping him in a different role?

I'll take him as a waterboy. He can't fvck that up or can he???

[MileHighRaider]

I'll take him as a waterboy. He can't fvck that up or can he???

Wasn't he responsible for putting purple drank in JaMarcus' water??

[avergara4]

I hope Knapp does go. Last week against the Chiefs was just horrible. The Chiefs are a horrible team but yet we couldn't score a touchdown against them. The excuses are just getting old and they aren't justified anymore.

[SoCalRaiders_1]

What about our pathetic defense who is dead last in the NFL in points allowed per game? Don't you think that has something to do with our losing record? Is Knapp the DC too? DA is not blind the team totally sucks and has for years. This sh!t can't be fixed in one season and anyone with an once of common sense knows this. This team has not had even one winning season since 2002 yet you want to blame it on our current coaching staff? I beg to differ.

What's your deal bro? You love knapp or something? Your always placing blame on the D and yes I know they are pathetic as well but Knapp's "offense" always puts them in bad positions in every damn game this year with their constant 3 and outs. I do want us to address the D first this off season but knapp must go.

[Vacant24]

I have been back and forth on this coaching staff and ultimately I think they ruined more than they have fixed. First, they use a scheme that fits NO ONE on our roster. Palmer, McFadden, O-line ... 1st glaring wrong choice and bad sign from a coaching staff when you can't even evaluate your personnel properly. They have preached patience, patience for what? a 15-0 win by way of 5 FG's against the worst NFL team in the last 10 years?

Dennis Allen has no balls what so ever. Why not go for it 1 of the 2 4th and goals vs KC? What do you have to lose? I'm sorry but I was not impressed by last Sunday's game at all. In fact it made even more frustrated as a Raiders fan and makes me question this new regime even more. The Chiefs are horrible, I won't let the 'shutout' fool me. Allen just seems in way over his head in all this and I know he just lost his Father and is going through some tough times but let's face it, he was supposed to be a 'bright young defensive coach'. Our defense sucks. I haven't seen anything worth a damn to get excited about, especially not shutting out the horrid Chiefs.

If Knapp comes back, I'll be pissed. Tarver, whatever, I could careless and Allen, I am impartial and would give the guy another year to fully judge. I would, however like to see Dennis Allen grow some ****ing balls. Say what you want about Hue, at least the guy had some dick and swagger. Sometimes Allen just looks pathetic on the sidelines.

[Pseudoscot]

My issue with Knapp isn't the system he is trying to implement. It is his play calling. The hideous, predictable, repetitive, negative play calling. If I can see what we are about to try and do I'm sure the opposing defensive co-ordinator can see it as well. I have already said that I hope coach Knapp isn't here next season but if he is I hope that the play-calling duties are stripped from him. It is easy to scapegoat individuals when there are multiple issues to deal with but I'd like to see some imagination in our play calling and I just don't see that happening with our current OC.

[yocrank]

If they make the dumb decision to retain Knapp, don't expect to see the Raiders on TV next year. We will have half full stadiums and be blacked out every home game. You can give Knapp all the years he wants and be the most patient fan in the world, but the Raiders will never have an NFL caliber O under his watch. Jano will have to be a $10 mil/year kicker, because he will be our O.

[raiderjohn622]

Basically Allen's overall scheme of things for the team is to ball control, keep the defense well rested on the sidelines. That's what a WCO does, and specifically what a ZBS does. It's goal is to gain yards, 1-2-3 yards, but not lose yards, to set you up for a 3rd and short, where then you just find a soft spot in the zone and boom first down. Major problem is when you want to completely revamp a system in the NFL, its hard to get the personnel to accomplish this, first your line has to change, your back has to change and your receivers has to change to sure handed guys. Given the pieces to work with in terms of cap and picks, the cupboard was bare, at best, you trade DMac for 2 late picks, but that wasn't practical franchise wise(as for RM crying/complaining, it's all media driven, the media keeps asking, and asking, so he's answering and answering honestly, he has said we are getting football players, guys with passion for the game...so he should be Al and keep quiet, seems that's what you want)

Do we see Knapp again....given what we've seen and heard lately, unfortunately, it adds up to him being back next year. My major flaw I have in Allen's thinking given the schemes, changes, etc., was that he completely revamped the offense with little personnel adjustments, yet given Tarver-Allen as 3-4 guys, they don't change the base defense at all, concluding, due to lack of personnel to fit the 3-4 profile....JesusAllen didn't you see our offense was the same, we didn't fit the WCO-ZBS profile, we had big people movers on the front line, not ballerina dancers with quick feet, we didn't have a sure handed receiver for Palmer to get 1st downs. Allen just was not very consistent across the board offensively and defensively.

Now is it a system that's going to work going forward, sure, but I think Knapp's going to need to be more creative with play calling, RM's going to need to find those players to fill the system. LG, RG, RT needs to be upgraded and chain moving receiver (Myers played himself into that role), but it'd be nice to trade in DHB for a Decker-Welker type who understands finding soft spots. Boy the toughest one is DMac, hate to move him, but cap wise, you might save some cash going with a lesser name(while adding some picks), Shanahan made a living putting 1,000 yard no names back there after Terrell Davis was done.

[kinz]

Knapp is good with QB's?? Since when?? I didn't get that memo. Knapp's job is to get in the end zone, not buddy up with his QB's talking about dinkin' and dunkin'. Knapp has not been good with Palmer because he took away his running game and has failed to use his full skill set. WCO my azz!! Palmer can stretch the field with his deep ball, thus oepning up the middle of the field. Great QB's in this league, if you haven't heard, capatalize on this talent. Vertical passing is a hallmark for consistently good offenses. Marquee QB's all around the league understand this concept, how come Knapp doesn't?? Knapp is stubborn and lost in his philosophy. If he persists, the Raider offense will continue to fail. Sometimes I think he returned to Oakland to stick it to Al. "You're dead, Al. Nothing you can do about it now"

Knapp was a QB, and has alternated between QB coach and OC. He had a lot to do with Garcia, Vick, Schaub, and now Palmer. People say how Palmer is playing well this year, and he is. I've said frequently that I don't like Knapp as OC, and think his play calling is predictable, but imo he is good at working with QBs and their mechanics. I'll grant you that our receivers are better suited to the vertical game, they can run fast, but don't make good reads or run good routes and and have inconsistent hands, so a better use for them is to go lower percentage but make them count. That is not Knapp's way. If you hadn't got the memo, the plan is to dump the players, not the system. I won't shed any tears, the WRs were not good enough to worry about. Even Moore, he is significantly under 50% receptions per target, and has been for two years.

It is my opinion that this offense is failing primarily because of the run game and o-line. Here is my biggest argument with Knapp, for long stretches he simply abandoned the run this year. That to me was a disaster. He was so stuck on running McFadden, he wouldn't do anything else. I think that cost us a ton. It is hard to go downtown when you have no threat in the run game.

[SF_Raider_Fan]

Talk is cheap.
A few weeks back when Mark Davis said "The team is regressing and this is not good enough" , he should have followed that up with the announcement that Mckenzie and Allen were fired. Instead , when asked by a reporter about those two, Davis said "they have contracts, they will be here".
Davis saying "this is not good enough" is cheap talk. If he wants real change he needs to bite the bullet , eat the contracts, and fire people.

Good thing mark davis questioned the coaches heart and desire. Stay on their ass and make it happen. You write their checks.

[POKE]

I hope like HELL that Mark Davis makes sure that Greg Knapp is on the first Bart Train out of Oakland as soon as the clock hits 00:00 after the San Diego game.

Knapp, Tarver, Hossman, and all the bum players need to go. Period.

If we keeping people around just for the sake of not having consistency of keeping people then the Oakland Raiders (who possibly could be playing their last year in Oakland being the least is up in 2013) will continue to stink.

Just Win Baby and Commitment To Excellence hasn't meant a god damn thing since 2002.

[cheapshotartist]

What's your deal bro? You love knapp or something? Your always placing blame on the D and yes I know they are pathetic as well but Knapp's "offense" always puts them in bad positions in every damn game this year with their constant 3 and outs. I do want us to address the D first this off season but knapp must go.

The deal is I'm giving my mfing opinion just like you are this a a mfing forum and that's what people do here. We don't have to agree on sh!t all we have to do is follow the forum rules. If you don't like what i post don't read it or hit the ignore button.

[SoCalRaiders_1]

The deal is I'm giving my mfing opinion just like you are this a a mfing forum and that's what people do here. We don't have to agree on sh!t all we have to do is follow the forum rules. If you don't like what i post don't read it or hit the ignore button.

Hope you mfing like going 3 and out with knapp calling plays next year buddy.

[UptownXguy3]

Knapp was a QB, and has alternated between QB coach and OC. He had a lot to do with Garcia, Vick, Schaub, and now Palmer. People say how Palmer is playing well this year, and he is. I've said frequently that I don't like Knapp as OC, and think his play calling is predictable, but imo he is good at working with QBs and their mechanics. I'll grant you that our receivers are better suited to the vertical game, they can run fast, but don't make good reads or run good routes and and have inconsistent hands, so a better use for them is to go lower percentage but make them count. That is not Knapp's way. If you hadn't got the memo, the plan is to dump the players, not the system. I won't shed any tears, the WRs were not good enough to worry about. Even Moore, he is significantly under 50% receptions per target, and has been for two years.

It is my opinion that this offense is failing primarily because of the run game and o-line. Here is my biggest argument with Knapp, for long stretches he simply abandoned the run this year. That to me was a disaster. He was so stuck on running McFadden, he wouldn't do anything else. I think that cost us a ton. It is hard to go downtown when you have no threat in the run game.

Moore was the best rated rookie WR last year in drop percentage....He only had two drops...The expectation of him was too improve not to regress. Knapp does not even know how to implement his scheme. Does it even look like a WCO out there?... Garcia was good because of his OC in SF before Knapp....That playbook is what made the 49ers good in the early 2000's and TO...

Knapp also abandoned the run in Seattle....he wanted to get with the times and provide a good passing game which yes I admit would be better with a true #1 WR..and yes He can probably coach up a QB but his play calling will always hold the offense back...His retarded choices of formations and receiving options in pass plays makes me think his play design and calling is terrible and uncreative.

The only way this offense will be at least decent is with a new creative playbook and OC.

[Hawaiian Raider]

Finally.

Something new to discuss.



Mele Kalikimaka!