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    Quote Originally Posted by SF_Raider_Fan View Post
    It would have been nice if Mark Davis had kept Hue Jackson for this first "post-Al" season. Or given Saunders a one year head coach contract. You know, take a year to mull things over and come up with a smart strategy. If Jackson or Saunders did not perform well this season then the Raiders might hire Orgeon's Chip Kelley , a proven successful collegiate head coach, or maybe Stanford's David Shaw. Really there are several promising college coaches, and some NFL-veteran coach solid guys like Wade Phillips or Jack Del Rio.
    It is a shame Mark Davis hastily hired the inexperienced and unproven Mckenzie, who hastily hired the inexperienced and unproven Dennis Allen. It didn't have to be that way.
    If you are calling McKenzie inexperienced, how the f*ck are you suggesting that Mark Davis make football decisions. Just so you know, in today's NFL the owner does not make the football decisions. It's a recipe for disaster. Need proof?? Look at Washington before Shanahan was given control or Dallas right now.
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    No matter who the coach is we have real roster and cap problems to deal with, this team is just not set up to win anything big right now, Reggie has to do some cleaning up first and get a few drafts under his belt.

    If Dennis Allen isn't getting it done in a few years, you bring in someone else, hopefully by that time the we will have better talent and some cap space.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cheapshotartist View Post
    So make your new HC keep your former HC as his new OC? That makes a lot of sense.
    Exactly. Some people really think this could've worked. Unreal.

    If we're wishing we had kept an 8-8 HC, gimme Cable all day.

    At least the players liked playing for him. Plus he used his hands to knock punks out instead of getting manicures.
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    The point is that Mark Davis apparently rushed to hire Reggie Mckenzie without interviewing several candidates. And Mckenzie hastily hired Dennis Allen, without giving the decision much thought or interviewing multiple candidates.
    I do not understand why these big decisions were made so quickly. Mark Davis would have been better off taking a year to think things over rather than setting up the Raiders to be managed and coached by inexperienced, unproven guys.

    Quote Originally Posted by foodisgood70 View Post
    If you are calling McKenzie inexperienced, how the f*ck are you suggesting that Mark Davis make football decisions. Just so you know, in today's NFL the owner does not make the football decisions. It's a recipe for disaster. Need proof?? Look at Washington before Shanahan was given control or Dallas right now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SF_Raider_Fan View Post
    The point is that Mark Davis apparently rushed to hire Reggie Mckenzie without interviewing several candidates. And Mckenzie hastily hired Dennis Allen, without giving the decision much thought or interviewing multiple candidates.
    I do not understand why these big decisions were made so quickly. Mark Davis would have been better off taking a year to think things over rather than quickly allowing the Raiders to be managed and coached by inexperienced, unproven guys.
    RM did interview a handfull of candidates. And RM was highly touted by many top NFL execs as the best guy available for a GM job which is why Mark didn't interview anyone else. There was no one else close enough to even consider when you listen to guys like Ron Wolf, John Madden, and the other highly trusted friends of Al.

    To expect instant results is to be a complete moron. We have struggled for over a decade now with not a single good season in that time. Somehow the new coaches are supposed to have instant success with a roster full of players who have NEVER been succesful in the NFL?

    Sorry it doesn't work that way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SF_Raider_Fan View Post
    The point is that Mark Davis apparently rushed to hire Reggie Mckenzie without interviewing several candidates. And Mckenzie hastily hired Dennis Allen, without giving the decision much thought or interviewing multiple candidates.
    I do not understand why these big decisions were made so quickly. Mark Davis would have been better off taking a year to think things over rather than setting up the Raiders to be managed and coached by inexperienced, unproven guys.
    Lmao get f*cking real! Take an entire year to decide who is going to be coach, while some interim coach comes in knowing he only will only coach a year?! Lmao ridiculous! The big decisons were made in a timely manner with a timeline. McZ interviewed 5+ coaches for the HC position, and Mark Davis knew who HIS dad wanted, who was highly recomended, and was highly regarded throughout the entire NFL.

    I am sorry to be the one to tell you this, but I think you may want to get checked by a doctor because you appear mildly retarded at this time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SF_Raider_Fan View Post
    It would have been nice if Mark Davis had kept Hue Jackson for this first "post-Al" season. Or given Saunders a one year head coach contract. You know, take a year to mull things over and come up with a smart strategy. If Jackson or Saunders did not perform well this season then the Raiders might hire Orgeon's Chip Kelley , a proven successful collegiate head coach, or maybe Stanford's David Shaw. Really there are several promising college coaches, and some NFL-veteran coach solid guys like Wade Phillips or Jack Del Rio.
    It is a shame Mark Davis hastily hired the inexperienced and unproven Mckenzie, who hastily hired the inexperienced and unproven Dennis Allen. It didn't have to be that way.

    It would be nice if some of you didn't make these retarded threads for something that is already been done and over with in regards to Reggie giving Hue his walking papers .

    That if Hue was such a great/good Head Coach or Offensive Coordinator then one of the teams that was needing these spots filled would've grabbed Hue up for this position .

    That Chip Kelly isn't coming to the Raiders so forget this little wet dream of yours here .

    David Shaw really he is yet to show what he can do as far as recruiting yet for the Stanford team is still got the bulk of Harbaugh is players there for him .
    So lets just hold off and see what David does with his own recruits and how they develop under his watch .

    How did he hastily hire the inexperienced Reggie he asked both of his fathers long time respected men of Ron Wolf & John Madden on some people he should look at for the job .
    He just happened to seem to like the 1st interview of his with Reggie and hired him .
    Will this work or not who knows ?
    But Reggie was also going to be interviewing for the Bears & Colts later on in the week to as both wanted him for their GM too .

    That hastily hired Dennis can't say cause not heard who else he interviewed yet for the head coach job before Dennis .

    That Dennis was denied some of the people he wanted for his staff so seeing that he needed to get one together he had to make a move quickly with the OC/DC spots when his top choices here were being denied by other teams to interview for these spots . Darren Perry-DB of the Packers & Dennis Thurman-DB of the Jets were two of the people he wanted to talk with for the DC job .

    That yes he is inexperienced as a head coach but then again everyone is until they are actually hired for the job .
    That he is been a name that was an up and come among the NFL coaches that was going to be plucked for a head coaching job soon because of his abilities and developing his players at his previous positions as a assistant .

    So why not look at posting something more positive and on coaches that might be added to the team at the assistant positions that could help the team because Dennis/Knapp/Tarver are here to stay for the next season only Coordinator that might be replaced is Hoffman as the Special teams coach , Clayton Lopez-Defensive Backs, Johnnie Lynn-Defensive Backs,Frank Pollack-OL coach
    Kelly Skipper-RB coach , and Keith Burns-Assistant Special Teams .

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    Quote Originally Posted by MadBomber24 View Post
    RM did interview a handfull of candidates. And RM was highly touted by many top NFL execs as the best guy available for a GM job which is why Mark didn't interview anyone else. There was no one else close enough to even consider when you listen to guys like Ron Wolf, John Madden, and the other highly trusted friends of Al.

    To expect instant results is to be a complete moron. We have struggled for over a decade now with not a single good season in that time. Somehow the new coaches are supposed to have instant success with a roster full of players who have NEVER been succesful in the NFL?

    Sorry it doesn't work that way.
    Not quite accurate here as there are a few Front Office people that are having their names brought up as the GM for some teams from the past couple years .

    Yes Reggie was one of them at the top here and was being courted by the Colts & Bears for the job .

    Eric DeCosta -Ravens Assistant General Manager is another name that is being thrown around that is hand picked by Ozzie to be his replacement for the Ravens .

    Omar Khan-Steelers Director of Football & Business Administration is another name that is being brought up to for some of the soon to be opened GM spots .

    Kevin Abrams-Giants Assistant General Manager is been getting his name mentioned to

    Russ Ball-Packers Vice President of Football Administration/Player Finance


    But you are correct that there was no way to have anyone expect instant results with the mess that Reggie or any of these guys would've walked into in his place .
    The foundation was shaky and going to take a couple of seasons for Reggie to clear out the debris and start to pour the foundation to build success here for his plan/vision of the Raiders is future .

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    Quote Originally Posted by SF_Raider_Fan View Post
    The point is that Mark Davis apparently rushed to hire Reggie Mckenzie without interviewing several candidates. And Mckenzie hastily hired Dennis Allen, without giving the decision much thought or interviewing multiple candidates.
    I do not understand why these big decisions were made so quickly. Mark Davis would have been better off taking a year to think things over rather than setting up the Raiders to be managed and coached by inexperienced, unproven guys.
    Dude.. you have NO clue what your talking about.
    Al Davis wanted Reggie to be his successor.
    This isn't about one year.. it's about building the franchise, and this is what is expected for a year or two.
    If you want to continue with dumb ass comments.
    You could at least had saud:
    Reggie should of hired Tom flores as HC, and brought in John Madden as DC. Mike white as ST coach, Art shell as OL coach, and Gruden as OC.
    Then it may had been more likely. And believable
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    This is all in the past. What does it serve to continually relive this? All we can do is go game by game and hope for the best. at the end of the season DA and R.M will revue their goals, and what they expected to accomplish this season. and make changes in either or both the coaching staff or the player personnel. then all we can do is comment as to whether or not we believe their evaluation is correct. But even then what we say or think changes nothing. But one thing is for certain Jackson is not apart of the present or the future of the Oakland Raiders. So what is the point of discussing what if? because it never ends. what if we did not pass on Calvin Johnson, Aaron Rogers, big Ben. you see where I am going with this? the past is in the past. no point in grave digging.

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    People who continue to create threads over subjects that have zero relevance at this point are probably the same people who still talk about their JV football days in 1996, the porn-star quality hot chick they dated (briefly) in 2002 and how they dominated their coed softball league in 2006.

    It's in the past, get ovah it!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Metallica0688 View Post
    Not quite accurate here as there are a few Front Office people that are having their names brought up as the GM for some teams from the past couple years .

    Yes Reggie was one of them at the top here and was being courted by the Colts & Bears for the job .

    Eric DeCosta -Ravens Assistant General Manager is another name that is being thrown around that is hand picked by Ozzie to be his replacement for the Ravens .

    Omar Khan-Steelers Director of Football & Business Administration is another name that is being brought up to for some of the soon to be opened GM spots .

    Kevin Abrams-Giants Assistant General Manager is been getting his name mentioned to

    Russ Ball-Packers Vice President of Football Administration/Player Finance


    But you are correct that there was no way to have anyone expect instant results with the mess that Reggie or any of these guys would've walked into in his place .
    The foundation was shaky and going to take a couple of seasons for Reggie to clear out the debris and start to pour the foundation to build success here for his plan/vision of the Raiders is future .
    Not saying there wasn't or isn't other capable candidates but when you are being told by highly qualified people who are also highly trusted friends of your dad (and most likely well known to Mark as well) then there is no reason to even consider anyone else if the person you want agrees to take the job.

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