Are Interceptions a real bad thing?

[Da Swami]

Why does you totally misrepresenting what I say not surprise me? Hmmm, everyone else seems to "get it", but you either chose not to, or aren't smart enough to. Anyway....

Just for the record, Ben Roethisberger's two superbowl victory years he threw 17 TD's and 9 picks and then 17 TDs vs 15 picks respectively. Of course we would like no picks Okie, and we understand that it is better if it doesn't happen. Man, you sure want the attention of a genius for pointing out something that even the dumbest of dumb understands. lol. Okie, you're not "on to something" when you say things like, "we will do better without as many interceptions", or offenses are better with effective running games. lol. Seriously? Get a grip dude. I know you have been in "reach" mode for a while, but come on man! Enough is enough!

As I mentioned, and most people are intelligent enough to understand, a pick from a QB like Palmer is much more acceptable than a pick from a Jamarcus Russell. Why? Because in instance number one you have a QB who can actually move the ball down the field and occasionally takes a chance and gets caught. In instance number two you have a QB who is as dumb as they get and can't read a defense to save their life, can't move the ball downfield, and they throw the pick out of desperation, or make an inaccurate throw. Again, we would prefer zero, but try and step off your stat box for a moment and have a real discussion about football. Quit being a stat-spazz for once, please!!!!

Anyway, you and I both know you knew where I was coming from.....you simply have some unresolved CAmp issues left to resolve. Hopefully, we can get through that by mid-season!

You make absolutely no sense.

[truepirate1966]

I think Im going to start a thread called( is scoring a touch down realy a good thing?) Im sure you guys can find some interesting angles on that subject.

[regret]

Yeah, not too sure what's confusing about being ok with a guy who throws for 300+ yards, 2-3 TDs with a pick in the mix. I'm not going to agonize over the pick because he will have more than made up for it. We are, of course, assuming that he averages less than a pick per game and isn't out there slinging them on every other drive.

Similarly, I will not agonize over a DMC fumble and spend next offseason harping on how he'd better not fumble the ball because that'd be a very bad thing for the team. Turnovers happen. If a players productivity vastly outweighs a fumble, a drop, an interception, then I can look at the big picture and be content with the overall performance.

But I know we'll spend an entire 16-game schedule listening to Okie pine for the days of 100-yard outings from our quarterback. It's going to be fun.

[MadBomber24]

Don't think anyone is saying differently.

Yeah, not too sure what's confusing about being ok with a guy who throws for 300+ yards, 2-3 TDs with a pick in the mix. I'm not going to agonize over the pick because he will have more than made up for it. We are, of course, assuming that he averages less than a pick per game and isn't out there slinging them on every other drive.

Similarly, I will not agonize over a DMC fumble and spend next offseason harping on how he'd better not fumble the ball because that'd be a very bad thing for the team. Turnovers happen. If a players productivity vastly outweighs a fumble, a drop, an interception, then I can look at the big picture and be content with the overall performance.

But I know we'll spend an entire 16-game schedule listening to Okie pine for the days of 100-yard outings from our quarterback. It's going to be fun.

[JoeKiev]

You make absolutely no sense.

In 2009 Jamarcus Russell threw .68 INterceptions per game. In 2012, Palmer threw 1.3 ints per game.

Why are we not calling Jamarcus out of retirement to replace Palmer then?


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[JoeKiev]

Yeah, not too sure what's confusing about being ok with a guy who throws for 300+ yards, 2-3 TDs with a pick in the mix. I'm not going to agonize over the pick because he will have more than made up for it. We are, of course, assuming that he averages less than a pick per game and isn't out there slinging them on every other drive.

Similarly, I will not agonize over a DMC fumble and spend next offseason harping on how he'd better not fumble the ball because that'd be a very bad thing for the team. Turnovers happen. If a players productivity vastly outweighs a fumble, a drop, an interception, then I can look at the big picture and be content with the overall performance.

But I know we'll spend an entire 16-game schedule listening to Okie pine for the days of 100-yard outings from our quarterback. It's going to be fun.

Exactly. Jamarcus would have throw a pick, had a completion percentage of 43% and 117 yards. Palmer throw for 3 TD's 3 picks, a 65% completion rate and 326 yards.

So, we would bench Palmer because he threw two more picks than Russell?


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[MadBomber24]

Because picks aren't the only stat that's important. Palmer can also complete passes to open guys.

However if Palmer keeps throwing 1.3 picks per game then the end result will be exactly the same as when Russell was here. So I don't get what you are getting at with your argument? If our QB (no matter who it is) has issues with turning the ball over we are going to be a losing team, period.

But to make you happy, yes Palmer is a better player than Russell. So was Ryan Leaf however.

You make absolutely no sense.

In 2009 Jamarcus Russell threw .68 INterceptions per game. In 2012, Palmer threw 1.3 ints per game.

Why are we not calling Jamarcus out of retirement to replace Palmer then?


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[MadBomber24]

In both cases we lose so what exactly is the difference? I don't give a damn how many yards our QB throws for of we lose the game. If the QB throws for 10 yards on 1-10 passing and we win then I am a happy camper.

Yeah, not too sure what's confusing about being ok with a guy who throws for 300+ yards, 2-3 TDs with a pick in the mix. I'm not going to agonize over the pick because he will have more than made up for it. We are, of course, assuming that he averages less than a pick per game and isn't out there slinging them on every other drive.

Similarly, I will not agonize over a DMC fumble and spend next offseason harping on how he'd better not fumble the ball because that'd be a very bad thing for the team. Turnovers happen. If a players productivity vastly outweighs a fumble, a drop, an interception, then I can look at the big picture and be content with the overall performance.

But I know we'll spend an entire 16-game schedule listening to Okie pine for the days of 100-yard outings from our quarterback. It's going to be fun.

Exactly. Jamarcus would have throw a pick, had a completion percentage of 43% and 117 yards. Palmer throw for 3 TD's 3 picks, a 65% completion rate and 326 yards.

So, we would bench Palmer because he threw two more picks than Russell?


duuuurrrrrrrrrrrrrrr Wow. Just wow.

[JoeKiev]

Because picks aren't the only stat that's important. Palmer can also complete passes to open guys. .

Eureka!

However if Palmer keeps throwing 1.3 picks per game then the end result will be exactly the same as when Russell was here. So I don't get what you are getting at with your argument? If our QB (no matter who it is) has issues with turning the ball over we are going to be a losing team, period.

But to make you happy, yes Palmer is a better player than Russell. So was Ryan Leaf however.

Actually, no it wouldn't and wasn't. Palmer won many more games with that interception percentage compared to Russell. That is my point, the picks are more acceptable (not completely acceptable, not always acceptable, etc. etc. etc., but MORE acceptable) with a QB who moves us up and down a field that with a QB who simply can't.

Now, of course I understand that 1.3 picks/ per is unaccpetable, and needs to change. However, if you think I would rather watch a CAmpbell or JRuss led offense that in the end can't compete in the playoffs you are crazy. Prolific passers are the types that win Superbowls, not Campbell/Russell types. I would rather loose a playoff game because of a pick with a QB who makes our offense potent than loose a playoff game because we had to protect the weaknesses of our QB and play it "safe".

[JoeKiev]

In both cases we lose so what exactly is the difference? I don't give a damn how many yards our QB throws for of we lose the game. If the QB throws for 10 yards on 1-10 passing and we win then I am a happy camper.

Who said we lost the game? I do know that if you take those scenerios, with a Russell -type we have zero chance to win, but with a Palmer type we at least have a chance, if not a good chance. That is why the picks from a QB like Palmer is much more acceptable than from a QB like Russell. At least we are in the game in the second scenerio. Come on dude, you're just being obstinate now.

[possessed]

Dan Fouts probably has the most turnovers in the history of ever and he's in the Hall of Fame, so who knows...

[paul0660]

Dan Fouts probably has the most turnovers in the history of ever and he's in the Hall of Fame, so who knows...

He is not in the top ten of interceptions.

OH yeah, one of the reasons JR had a good int % was that he missed everyone.

[RavenRaider]

Top 10 NFL Quarterbacks with the Most Interceptions - Yahoo! Voices - voices.yahoo.com

6 out of the top 10 are HOFers but lots of guys who never won the big one as well. A big part of it has to be knowing when you can take a chance and when you cant, and when you HAVE to take a chance and when you dont.

[dmauke]

Dan Fouts probably has the most turnovers in the history of ever and he's in the Hall of Fame, so who knows...

He is not in the top ten of interceptions.

All QB's throw interceptions. Interceptions are just one of the many variables that you can look at when judging a player individually. Some will differ from game to game and season to season, but when you talk about interceptions it goes beyond a QB stat. It's a team stat as well.

Turnovers are one of the biggest factors in the outcome of games. Great teams have the ability to endure more turnovers than an average or poor team. Some interceptions may not directly result to a loss, but I don't see any way that anything positive comes from a turnover. When you rate a turnover, it's always going to be on a scale that starts and ends in the negative.

[dmauke]

Top 10 NFL Quarterbacks with the Most Interceptions - Yahoo! Voices - voices.yahoo.com

6 out of the top 10 are HOFers but lots of guys who never won the big one as well. A big part of it has to be knowing when you can take a chance and when you cant, and when you HAVE to take a chance and when you dont.

In all honesty QB's should never take a chance. You either believe you can complete the pass, or you don't throw it.

You have to understand that the players on this list played in a lot of games. The reason you don't see poor Qb's on this list is because they don't last long. Interceptions are just one variable when judging a player, turnovers are more detrimental to the teams ability to win games.