Can Palmer do what Hostetler did for raiders in 1st full season

[JonRaider]

I still remember that 1993 season like it was yesterday. We had alot of talent on those early 90's teams! I've always thought we could have had another Lombardi or two during those years, if we had just had decent playcalling on offense!

[Rainman56]

I loved Hoss when he played for us.Guy took major beatings behind a shoddy O line.Might have had a few brain cramps but the guy was a gamer.

And for the few bade mouthing him,remember we were 8-2 till he got hurt and the Vince Evans/Billy Joe Hobert sideshow lost us 6 straight for a 8-8 record.We then lost the 1st 2 games the next season when Hoss was out.

Hoss was at least smart enough to call some of his own plays in the huddle.Can,t blame him as B&B man Tom Walsh was the OC to start the 94 season.

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[Rainman56]

I still remember that 1993 season like it was yesterday. We had alot of talent on those early 90's teams! I've always thought we could have had another Lombardi or two during those years, if we had just had decent playcalling on offense!

Wicked speed all around on them 90,s teams.

[dmauke]

I didn't think Hoss had a very strong but he had accuracy. He could lead an offense, and was a breath of fresh air when he came to the team. As bad as the Marinovich thing was, he was really replacing Jay Schroeder. I really liked Hoss.

For the younger fans who never really watched Jay play, just picture Kyle Boller with Barney Fife's poise under pressure. Oh maybe you don't know who Barney Fife was, then imagine the instincts of Ralph Furley. Oh maybe you don't know who that is? Imagine Kyle Boller with the decision making skills of Peter Griffin. Or just imaging Kyle Boller as the Raiders starter for about 5 years in a row.

To answer the original question;

I think it's a different situation right now. The question could have been asked about Jason Campbell when he came here and Russell was cut. I expect Palmer to be a professional QB, who can lead the offense and put points on the board. I know he's capable, and hope that when his career is over he'll be regarded as one of the best Raider QB's ever.

[regret]

And for the few bad mouthing him,remember we were 8-2 till he got hurt

Some betray their ignorance by **** talking Hoss. But I guess it's the same old story, different day. I mean, if we start 8-2 this year, you and I both know exactly which player you-know-who is going to spend the bulk of his time criticizing.

[Rainman56]

For the younger fans who never really watched Jay play, just picture Kyle Boller with Barney Fife's poise under pressure.

Classic!

[B. anthracis]

I didn't think Hoss had a very strong but he had accuracy. He could lead an offense, and was a breath of fresh air when he came to the team. As bad as the Marinovich thing was, he was really replacing Jay Schroeder. I really liked Hoss.

For the younger fans who never really watched Jay play, just picture Kyle Boller with Barney Fife's poise under pressure. Oh maybe you don't know who Barney Fife was, then imagine the instincts of Ralph Furley. Oh maybe you don't know who that is? Imagine Kyle Boller with the decision making skills of Peter Griffin. Or just imaging Kyle Boller as the Raiders starter for about 5 years in a row.

I'll never forget Schroeder's ability to either fall down, throw a pick or fumble at the worst possible times. I remember one game against the Chiefs, driving for the winning score late in the 4th quarter. Schroeder drops back, has plenty of time, steps to his left, and then just drops the ball. At that exact same time protection finally broke down, and the ball bounced right to a Chief's DL. Game over.

It would have been bad had he thrown a pick--a turnover is a turnover. But he just dropped the damn thing like a spastic toddler. But he did have a big arm. There was that.

[0utlaw]

I'll never forget Schroeder's ability to either fall down, throw a pick or fumble at the worst possible times..

Jay Schroeder.. No man could snatch defeat from the vicious jaws of victory like him.

I remember one game in particular where it was a pick he threw and the defender was running it back for a score.. now through the corner of the screen you see Jay actually gaining on the guy. I was like "Wow Jay has wheels!" Then once he got close enough to make the redeeming tackle it was like he remembered he was "Jay Schroeder" and then promptly stuck out an alligator arm to give him a little shove and fell down..

[ottomatic1]

I'm glad i was young enough to not realize the trash i was watching with j schroeder. sounds almost as bad as the purple drank era.

[paul0660]

I'm glad i was young enough to not realize the trash i was watching with j schroeder. sounds almost as bad as the purple drank era.

You want to really puke, read about the guy we traded for Schroeder, Jim Lachey.

Neither Schroeder or Hoss could stay healthy. My main memory of Schroeder is making Marinovich look good, briefly.

[NWTF]

I'm glad i was young enough to not realize the trash i was watching with j schroeder. sounds almost as bad as the purple drank era.

Well he was nowhere near that bad. He was mediocre to above average if everything was going ok , but turn up the heat and he panicked. The overall team was pretty good. Jay was the weakest link along with the coaching staff. Some may disagree on the coaching staff, but I never felt they brought anything extra to the table as coaches. Youd see Marty Schottenheimer getting his guys fired up late in a tight game and on the other side our coach giving his best statue impersonation. Still, Jay was the guy that couldnt step it up a notch when the team needed it.

You know to be honest, Buerlein was better than Schroeder, but Shanarat preferred Buerlein and Al preferred Schroeder. SO thats why it went down the way it did.

[NWTF]

You want to really puke, read about the guy we traded for Schroeder, Jim Lachey.

Neither Schroeder or Hoss could stay healthy. My main memory of Schroeder is making Marinovich look good, briefly.

Yeah, we practically stole Lachey from San Diego then we turn around and traded an ALL PRO tackle for an average QB.

[Raidermofojeff]

In 88 we got Jay, in 87 drafted Buerline whom coach Shannahan preferred--probably the biggest reason for the coaches firing..With new coach Shell in 90 Jay had a damn good year, in spite of the awful system ran by Terry Robiskie. This wouldn't last and Jay became increasingly fearful in the pocket as the hits mounted. Jay left and played better for his new teams. Meanwhile the Raiders brought in the Gritty SB champ Hostetler who played well for the most part in spite of the system and poor protection. When Walsh replaced Robiskie things improved slightly but the system was still out of date.

There was a long pattern of QBs scared/ battered or both due to the systems used and poor O-line play/asking too much of them.......Starting with Pluinkett-Wilson-Shroeder-Hoss-George....(then you have the system change years anomoly under Gruden/Callahan) Then it starts again with Collins-Brooks and so on....So now after all these years with the new found emphasis on O-line these dark ages are behind us...for now...but we should never forget

[speedkills]

lots of simialrities coming off two about .500 seasons

a deep lot at WR (1993 has Ismail, Brown, Jett, Wright and Gault) and if anything our running game is way better than 1993. Although the 1993 team had a much better defense. I was at the Bills Raiders playoff game in January 1994 when piss was freezing on the urinals it was so cold.

The raiders of the nineties, Al still could pick talent but meddled too much and picked yes men as coaches.

In 1994 many forget we were favorites to make the super bowl out of the AFC , the team came out got blown out by SD and SF and then went 9-5 the rest of the year and missed the playoffs. And for some reason it took the team a 1-3 start to figure out that Harvey Wiliams was the best RB on the roster and he almost ran for 1000 yards .

[speedkills]

In 89 when we got Jay we also drafted Buerline whom coach Shannahan preferred--probably the biggest reason for the coaches firing..With new coach Shell in 90 Jay had a damn good year, in spite of the awful system ran by Terry Robiskie. This wouldn't last and Jay became increasingly fearful in the pocket as the hits mounted. Jay left and played better for his new teams. Meanwhile the Raiders brought in the Gritty SB champ Hostetler who played well for the most part in spite of the system and poor protection. When Walsh replaced Robiskie things improved slightly but the system was still out of date.

Jay sucked,

he had a good year in 1990 when he could hide behind Marcus and Bo.

He sucked on the bengals and cards afterwards as well.

Other than his 1986 seasonw hen he threw for 4000 yards for the redskins he was crap most of his career