Louis Murphy in danger of not making Oakland Raiders

[SLVR&BLK]

Oh, I gotcha. So... Tell me... Is Streater's "next level" the type of next level that takes a kid from not EVEN being able to beat up on the small school talent CB's of the MAC (never had more than 3 catches in a game as a senior... PLEASE).... to all of the sudden being able to mop up on the 3rd Corner Back in say... San Diego? Who is a young kid himself, except this kid was a stellar stand out at Clemson and good enough for the Chargers to take him in the 2nd round?

Or Denver's 3rd CB who happens to be Drayton Florence, a once 2nd round draft pick who has had a long and solid career covering guys with 10X the natural talent/skill that Streater showed while catching 1 and 2 passes per game at Temple?

Well that is quite a step up in performance. That Streater was sand-bagging on us, wasn't he!!!! Pretending like he was only good for 1 catch for 18 yards against the like of Buffalo college, that sneaky bugger! He almost had me. Glad he's "Stepping it up".

Victor Cruz (un drafted) wasn't a big college superstar, but he put up some of the best numbers in the league last year.
I would say the odds are stacked against Streater being a big time player, but sometimes players come out of nowhere to be good in the NFL.

Streater has already caught the eye of Dennis Allen, that may not mean anything at the end of training camp though, he has a long way to go just to make the team.

[HC Raider Fan]

Oh, I gotcha. So... Tell me... Is Streater's "next level" the type of next level that takes a kid from not EVEN being able to beat up on the small school talent CB's of the MAC (never had more than 3 catches in a game as a senior... PLEASE).... to all of the sudden being able to mop up on the 3rd Corner Back in say... San Diego? Who is a young kid himself, except this kid was a stellar stand out at Clemson and good enough for the Chargers to take him in the 2nd round?

Or Denver's 3rd CB who happens to be Drayton Florence, a once 2nd round draft pick who has had a long and solid career covering guys with 10X the natural talent/skill that Streater showed while catching 1 and 2 passes per game at Temple?

Well that is quite a step up in performance. That Streater was sand-bagging on us, wasn't he!!!! Pretending like he was only good for 1 catch for 18 yards against the like of Buffalo college, that sneaky bugger! He almost had me. Glad he's "Stepping it up".

Not that I watch enough college ball to make judgement, but who was the QB there and what type of offense do they run?

Maybe he's going to be a late bloomer. It's happened before...

[Evil Empire]

Oh, I gotcha. So... Tell me... Is Streater's "next level" the type of next level that takes a kid from not EVEN being able to beat up on the small school talent CB's of the MAC (never had more than 3 catches in a game as a senior... PLEASE).... to all of the sudden being able to mop up on the 3rd Corner Back in say... San Diego? Who is a young kid himself, except this kid was a stellar stand out at Clemson and good enough for the Chargers to take him in the 2nd round?

Or Denver's 3rd CB who happens to be Drayton Florence, a once 2nd round draft pick who has had a long and solid career covering guys with 10X the natural talent/skill that Streater showed while catching 1 and 2 passes per game at Temple?

Well that is quite a step up in performance. That Streater was sand-bagging on us, wasn't he!!!! Pretending like he was only good for 1 catch for 18 yards against the like of Buffalo college, that sneaky bugger! He almost had me. Glad he's "Stepping it up".

Don't have an aneurysm because Corky is pointing out what I told you several months ago! Even he gets it. Murphy gives you nothing but inconsistent play and crying.

[Towner13]

Oh, I gotcha. So... Tell me... Is Streater's "next level" the type of next level that takes a kid from not EVEN being able to beat up on the small school talent CB's of the MAC (never had more than 3 catches in a game as a senior... PLEASE).... to all of the sudden being able to mop up on the 3rd Corner Back in say... San Diego? Who is a young kid himself, except this kid was a stellar stand out at Clemson and good enough for the Chargers to take him in the 2nd round?

Or Denver's 3rd CB who happens to be Drayton Florence, a once 2nd round draft pick who has had a long and solid career covering guys with 10X the natural talent/skill that Streater showed while catching 1 and 2 passes per game at Temple?

Well that is quite a step up in performance. That Streater was sand-bagging on us, wasn't he!!!! Pretending like he was only good for 1 catch for 18 yards against the like of Buffalo college, that sneaky bugger! He almost had me. Glad he's "Stepping it up".

HBD... let me apologize should the above be mistaken as a slight at you. Not the intended tone I wrote it with, so hopefully you didn't read it as such. Meant to be a light-hearted take on how far off the talent curve of the NFL if you are if you merely participated as a starter at Temple.

[Towner13]

Don't have an aneurysm because Corky is pointing out what I told you several months ago! Even he gets it. Murphy gives you nothing but inconsistent play and crying.

Unseating Murphy from this team is not impossible. But it isn't going to be Rod Streater that does it. Kid has Practice Squad at best pedigree.

[Towner13]

Victor Cruz (un drafted) wasn't a big college superstar, but he put up some of the best numbers in the league last year.
I would say the odds are stacked against Streater being a big time player, but sometimes players come out of nowhere to be good in the NFL.

Streater has already caught the eye of Dennis Allen, that may not mean anything at the end of training camp though, he has a long way to go just to make the team.

Cruz is a PERFECT example of my point. Also came from the MAC conference (I think, right? UMASS? MAC?)..

Check this out:
2008, Junior Year: 12 games 71 catches, 1064 yards 6 TD's (Led the team, averaged 6 grabs per, Great!!!)
2009, Senior Year: 10 games 59 catches, 868 yards 5 TD's (Took a step back, but still had games of showing 10 catch here and 9 catch there type of dominance.)

Streater's best game his senior year? 3 catches for 82 yards and a TD against Ohio (again, not Ohio State, but Ohio).

I give some credo to late bloomer claims (as one poster stated) and lots to the question of "what type of offense" that another poster wrote... But the guy didn't even lead the Temple Owls as a WR. I mean... hell... I'll just leave it as a good ol' Cheap Shot Artist "Time Will Tell" comment.

Because, should Murphy be worth ditching, I gotta believe that there are better potential options than a 24 year old (old for a rookie) who has only a couple of good OTA's and an unimpressive college career against 2nd rate Div 1 talent (MAC) to choose from.

That's all.

[HBD]

HBD... let me apologize should the above be mistaken as a slight at you. Not the intended tone I wrote it with, so hopefully you didn't read it as such. Meant to be a light-hearted take on how far off the talent curve of the NFL if you are if you merely participated as a starter at Temple.

I think your stallworth defense of Murphy is coming off as hyper hysteric ... when it is measured against some of the moves already made by Reggie. Every man currently on the roster will be given a shot to show their worth in the coming months. Seeing Murphy cut would not be a huge surprise.

As for your willingness to discount Streater because he went to a small school, I got one word for you:
Veldheer.

[Towner13]

As for your willingness to discount Streater because he went to a small school, I got one word for you:
Veldheer.

Touche, however, Veldheer was highly touted as a super sleeper entering that draft and had some folks pegging him as the 3rd best OL in the draft. I remember reading the details when I was trying to figure out why we spent an early 3rd round pick on a Tackle from Hillsdale College.

I can dig up links stating as much if interested, but I'm just saying... So far, nothing I can dig up about Streater is anything near as glowing (or even glowing for that matter).

[Evil Empire]

Touche, however, Veldheer was highly touted as a super sleeper entering that draft and had some folks pegging him as the 3rd best OL in the draft. I remember reading the details when I was trying to figure out why we spent an early 3rd round pick on a Tackle from Hillsdale College.

I can dig up links stating as much if interested, but I'm just saying... So far, nothing I can dig up about Streater is anything near as glowing (or even glowing for that matter).

Had you even heard of Hillside? You are shoehorning examples to fit your stance. I'm sure you have ready made explanations for Wes Welker, Marcus Colston, Pierre Garcon, Miles Austin, etc. It's a matter of time before you land that GM gig!

[SLVR&BLK]

Cruz is a PERFECT example of my point. Also came from the MAC conference (I think, right? UMASS? MAC?)..

Check this out:
2008, Junior Year: 12 games 71 catches, 1064 yards 6 TD's (Led the team, averaged 6 grabs per, Great!!!)
2009, Senior Year: 10 games 59 catches, 868 yards 5 TD's (Took a step back, but still had games of showing 10 catch here and 9 catch there type of dominance.)

Streater's best game his senior year? 3 catches for 82 yards and a TD against Ohio (again, not Ohio State, but Ohio).

I give some credo to late bloomer claims (as one poster stated) and lots to the question of "what type of offense" that another poster wrote... But the guy didn't even lead the Temple Owls as a WR. I mean... hell... I'll just leave it as a good ol' Cheap Shot Artist "Time Will Tell" comment.

Because, should Murphy be worth ditching, I gotta believe that there are better potential options than a 24 year old (old for a rookie) who has only a couple of good OTA's and an unimpressive college career against 2nd rate Div 1 talent (MAC) to choose from.

That's all.

I understand your point somewhat, but Streater will sink or swim in the NFL now, it's not like if he has a good training camp that Reggie will say to himself "well i was gone keep this Streater guy, but he didn't catch that many passes in college".

Some guys just click when they hit the NFL, and of course, some guys that have great college careers don't do crap in the league.
I goes both ways.

I actually like Murphy, but it's clear he needs to stay healthy and step up training camp, i hope he can put the hammy and groin problems behind him now.

[Da Swami]

Victor Cruz (un drafted) wasn't a big college superstar, but he put up some of the best numbers in the league last year.
I would say the odds are stacked against Streater being a big time player, but sometimes players come out of nowhere to be good in the NFL.

Streater has already caught the eye of Dennis Allen, that may not mean anything at the end of training camp though, he has a long way to go just to make the team.

How do you know?

This isn't college where scholarships influence playing time.

This is the pros where the best players make the team and play.

The politics of collegiate athletics is enough for me to resist making assumptions about playing ability based on playing time or stats.

Guys can get by on athleticism alone at the college level and that's not the case in the NFL.

Because of this, many guys who have superior talent don't flourish while those who have what it takes to adjust to the pro game emerge.

College coaches make recruiting decisions in most cases and they play guys just to justify their recruitment efforts.

The politics of collegiate football are endless where in the NFL its all about winning.

[RaiderFunk]

Just glad that there is actually competition at wide receiver. Last year we were actually considering folks like nick miller and what not..

[Towner13]

Had you even heard of Hillside? You are shoehorning examples to fit your stance. I'm sure you have ready made explanations for Wes Welker, Marcus Colston, Pierre Garcon, Miles Austin, etc. It's a matter of time before you land that GM gig!

You say I am shoe horning yet are focusing on the "small school" portion of my comments and naming BIG NFL names to defend, when my overarching theme is not that small school guys can't make it.

It's that Rod Streater was unimpressive at a small school.

So I ask you... sell me on Rod Streater. (I watch his 8 minute self made highlight video... so please bring somethign else).

Tell me why he is such a categorically better option than Murphy. And try not to knock Murphy as part of your retort. Because Louis Murphy's talent level has nothing to do what makes an NFL caliber WR, even if it is for a 5th WR spot.

My statement is that Streater looks to be destined to be wearing street clothes in less than 2 years for the rest of his life.

Show me why he's the guy that will get on with someone.... somewhere?

(*Note: Wes Welker went to Texas Tech man. C'mon now! The Longhorns they aint, but comparing them to Temple and Hofstra??? Some Red Raider's gotta get mad at that notion! )

[MileHighRaider]

Some of you are absolutely ridiculous.

In order for Murphy to NOT make the team (your dream scenario, it seems), THREE of Criner, Streater, McGee and some other player we're not even talking about have to PLAY BETTER in the eyes of the only people whose opinion matters, The Coaches.

I'm not saying it's impossible by any means but it's MUCH more likely McGee AND Streater end up on the PS or unemployed than Murphy missing out.

Dream on Murphy Haters but wake up before the season starts. Murphy and Criner will likely be on the squad. Streater MAY as well.

[smucky]

[QUOTE=Jimi18;3716127]

DHB came into the NFL with #12, he changed it after his rookie season

I'm hoping he was just playing stupid lol..

That was the idea.