Revisiting DHB vs. Crabtree

[B. anthracis]

He played well last year and started to look like a starting caliber WR but he still needs to improve next season if I'm going to believe taking him in the first round was a good idea. Hes shown a good attitude and has put in tons of work during the off seasons so just for that id rather him then the drama queen Crabtree.

I'm bored so... There's an ethical theory that says all is not well even if it ends well. Any improper decision will by itself always remain wrong. In this case it's DHB being chosen #7 overall. Even if he does turn out to be a superstar, the theory says that it was still the wrong decision due to the potential impact the decision would have had on other people, with the implication that the decision was more likely to turn out to be a bad one, thereby causing a damaging ripple effect.

The common example used is that of a guy who owns a passenger ship. The ship is in bad shape and needs repairs but he wants to save money so he doesn't fix it. In the first scenario the ship goes down and everyone dies, but the ship owner doesn't get in trouble because dead men tell no tales. In the second scenario, the ship arrives safely and he then makes the needed repairs. Even in the second scenario, where everything turned out fine, his decision was still unethical and even immoral.

Wow. It really is a long damn offseason.

[MadBomber24]

Going back to the draft of 2009 retrospectively, who would you have taken?

2009 NFL Draft Results Round 1 | 2009 NFL Draft Results | NFL Draft Results

Oher maybe? Cushing?

Well hindsight is 20/20 so based on who was drafted after us and how they have done I would say Clay Mathews hands down. However at the time that would have been crazy talk so if I went back now and only knew what I knew then I would have to say BJ Raji, Monroe, or Orakpo.

Either way I STILL would not have taken DHB at #7.

[Worrier]

You have Crabtree w/great hands, but can't get open. Or, DHB who can get open, but from what I can see, drops balls thrown above his waist, or anything that he can't face up to.

Palmer is going to make DHB catch it or wear it.

[MadBomber24]

You have Crabtree w/great hands, but can't get open. Or, DHB who can get open, but from what I can see, drops balls thrown above his waist, or anything that he can't face up to.

Palmer is going to make DHB catch it or wear it.

Well DHB has improved his hands a great deal. He will never remind anyone of Larry Fitzgerald but I dont think you can say he has "bad" hands anymore. His biggest struggle is going after the ball on the run. He is not a guy you want to throw it up to (disapointing since he has good size) one on one. Moore has that natural ability to attack the ball in coverage that DHB doesnt, but DHB has improved his route running and pass catching ability and proved last year he can be an above average Wr in this league.

[MadBomber24]

Here's an old conversation back in July of 2009 about this same topic. Interesting takes on these players before they even played a down. who says Raider fans don't know football and are delusional? (Cowherd).

I personally like this because it's one of the few times I sound like I know what I'm talking about.

http://www.raiderfans.net/forum/oakl...lin-other.html


well, except for my top 2 players in the draft... good thing the Raiders picked at #7.

Lol, I was probably still bitter about taking DHB and refused to open the thread back then because I dont remember that thread for anything and obviously I didnt post in it.

[SLVR&BLK]

That draft had a lot of misses in the first round, heck DHB isn't looking so bad after all.
The Rams took Jason Smith 2nd overall, has been a decent RT, but they drafted him to be a franchise LT and his contract is huge.

Id love to have Nicks or C. Mathews, but neither one of those guys were considered a top 10 prospect that year.

I can't stand Crabtree, the way he acted after getting drafted with the holdout and everything, just a "me first" turd in my book.

[Daggerman]

You have Crabtree w/great hands, but can't get open. Or, DHB who can get open, but from what I can see, drops balls thrown above his waist, or anything that he can't face up to.

Palmer is going to make DHB catch it or wear it.

Crabtree's hands aren't that great. He's been among the leaders in dropped passes per target the last couple of years. One of the biggest misconceptions going into the 2009 draft was Crabtree's hands. Tim Brown hated Crabtree and wanted Maclin.

[Raidermofojeff]

For me it was never about DHB vs MC---it was about that picking any WR was dumb as hell considering the O-linemen who were on the board with the huge need we had for it.....

That said, I'm glad DHB has turned into a decent receiver.

[Raidermofojeff]

I'm bored so... There's an ethical theory that says all is not well even if it ends well. Any improper decision will by itself always remain wrong. In this case it's DHB being chosen #7 overall. Even if he does turn out to be a superstar, the theory says that it was still the wrong decision due to the potential impact the decision would have had on other people, with the implication that the decision was more likely to turn out to be a bad one, thereby causing a damaging ripple effect.

The common example used is that of a guy who owns a passenger ship. The ship is in bad shape and needs repairs but he wants to save money so he doesn't fix it. In the first scenario the ship goes down and everyone dies, but the ship owner doesn't get in trouble because dead men tell no tales. In the second scenario, the ship arrives safely and he then makes the needed repairs. Even in the second scenario, where everything turned out fine, his decision was still unethical and even immoral.

Wow. It really is a long damn offseason.

Well said, IMO this is what is wrong with much of the world today....

[RAIDKEN]

Going back to the draft of 2009 retrospectively, who would you have taken?

2009 NFL Draft Results Round 1 | 2009 NFL Draft Results | NFL Draft Results

Oher maybe? Cushing?

Kinda crazy but looking at that first round....there are a lot of really good players. Maybe I'm wrong but it looks like one of the best first rounds there have been in the last 10 years. I'm not looking at first rounds of other years right now, so maybe I am wrong. haha.

On the other hand, I like the DHB pick. I HATED it at first, but I love the guy's attitude and work ethic. Still wish he'd use his hand more to catch the ball though.

[DustInTheWind]

Crabtree's hands aren't that great. He's been among the leaders in dropped passes per target the last couple of years. One of the biggest misconceptions going into the 2009 draft was Crabtree's hands. Tim Brown hated Crabtree and wanted Maclin.

You are correct, sir.

Three Years of Drop Rate: Wide Receivers | ProFootballFocus.com

Those are the numbers from 2009-2011 with Crabtree 8th with most drops and with 11th worst drop rate over that span.

[Kalifas510]

Moore > DHB and Crabtree

so...

And Nicks may have not been rated top 10 but should have been, he was clearly the best WR in this grp easy...

[Kalifas510]

You are correct, sir.

Three Years of Drop Rate: Wide Receivers | ProFootballFocus.com

Those are the numbers from 2009-2011 with Crabtree 8th with most drops and with 11th worst drop rate over that span.

I have seen too many lists showing DHB only dropping like 6 passes all season. I seen him drop 6 in 2 games alone. So these stats are kinda wishy washy...

DHB>Crabtree IMHO

[Hawaiian Raider]

Great thread with great responses.

I sense we could all agree that the draft is what it is - a crap shoot. Albeit a calculated one, still a crap shoot.

Every draft there's sure-fire can't-miss gotta-have picks that end up being dead-bodies in the NFL.

On the flip side there's guys nobody even considered that burst onto the league like gangbusters.

[BVJ]

Great thread with great responses.

I sense we could all agree that the draft is what it is - a crap shoot. Albeit a calculated one, still a crap shoot.

Every draft there's sure-fire can't-miss gotta-have picks that end up being dead-bodies in the NFL.

On the flip side there's guys nobody even considered that burst onto the league like gangbusters.

See Victor Cruz.