Clayton nails Oakland call (5-11)

[dmauke]

As far as Hue Jackson goes. i have no ill will toward him at all. The guy did a good job with the offense. Only had 1 year as a head coach, and it was a tough year.

Let's face it, no matter what the coach says when the team is playing like crap.. you're gonna hate it. If he always gave the same coach rhetoric about it's on him and not the players you'll hate him for not holding players accountable, if he blames the players you'll say he threw them under the bus. When you aren't winning football games, you can't win at anything else and that includes commenting.

He's gone now, and fans need to move on. It was the right decision as far as the big picture goes. Hue was a typical Al Davis HC hire, and if anyone's noticed, that really hasn't panned out since Gruden.

I hope good things for Hue, well except against the Raiders.

[dmauke]

Either we make the playoffs or I hope we suck enough to get Matt Barkley in the draft. Instead of 'Suck for Luck' we'll be pulling a 'Bomb for Barkley' if we struggle out of the gate.

lol, a lot of people will dislike this post... I don't think teams should tank either, but I get what you're saying. I'm a big Barkley fan too.

[haji81872]

As I recall it was "Coach Davis" and I believe that I heard him refer to Davis as Coach Davis even after his death. I am not sure if he did 100% of the time - however, I am not sure if he did 100% of the time before either. Regardless, the Raiders were built on "Just WIN baby!" So, whether he was asshole or whether he was politely consistent is irrelevant - the man helped light a fire under the team and went 8-8 with a severely injured team and with a forgettable D. I am not saying that he was the greatest coach to ever coach the game or that he is going to the hall of fame - I am only arguing that the man deserved at least one more year, he did enough at least for that.

Why argue it? He is gone. Move on. We get it. You have posted this belief about a million times. Try something else for a while.

[B. anthracis]

Money Post!

I wanted him to stay until I saw how he acted at the end of the season.

He melted down and that's not what I want in a Raider coach.

I don't want to make a big argument out of this. I just want to point out that almost every NFL head coach has a meltdown, some less epic than others; and by the usual standard, Jackson saying what he said about the players and other coaches was pretty mild relative to "PLAYOFFS?!?!?" and "THEY WERE WHO WE THOUGHT THEY WERE!!!" and other famous caniption fits that NFL head coaches have had in post game press conferences.

And really, under the circumstances, can you blame a guy for losing it? Three 90+ yard TD drives allowed by the defense with under 5 minutes to go three weeks in a row--with the last resulting in us getting booted from the playoffs. I would have been chasing motherf'ers down with a chainsaw on the field to make sure they couldn't have a chance to escape into the locker room and lock the the doors behind them. That's probably one of the million reasons I'm not an NFL head coach, but the point is that losing it like Hue did that day isn't necessarily an indicator of anything abnormal.

[kinz]

As I recall it was "Coach Davis" and I believe that I heard him refer to Davis as Coach Davis even after his death. I am not sure if he did 100% of the time - however, I am not sure if he did 100% of the time before either. Regardless, the Raiders were built on "Just WIN baby!" So, whether he was asshole or whether he was politely consistent is irrelevant - the man helped light a fire under the team and went 8-8 with a severely injured team and with a forgettable D. I am not saying that he was the greatest coach to ever coach the game or that he is going to the hall of fame - I am only arguing that the man deserved at least one more year, he did enough at least for that.

"-- Remember how Jackson always referred to Al Davis as "Coach Davis"? Now HuJax says, "Everybody knows my hands were tied. I worked for Al Davis. He ran the defense, always had." Thus, in the afterlife, "Coach Davis," the beloved genius-mentor, has morphed into a lousy defensive coordinator named Al."

Not the biggest fan of how Al ran the team, but am much less of a fan of people who pretend to revere an old man as a means of grabbing power.

Regardless, the Raiders were built on "Just WIN baby!" ...

We were 7-4 then went 1-4 in embarrassing fashion with a multitude of bad calls and a team that didn't show up.

******************

Hue is gone, ain't ever coming back. In my opinion, Lane, Cable, and even Shannahan are princes compared to that asswipe Hue. He can svck cokks in hel1.

[haji81872]

"-- Remember how Jackson always referred to Al Davis as "Coach Davis"? Now HuJax says, "Everybody knows my hands were tied. I worked for Al Davis. He ran the defense, always had." Thus, in the afterlife, "Coach Davis," the beloved genius-mentor, has morphed into a lousy defensive coordinator named Al."

Not the biggest fan of how Al ran the team, but am much less of a fan of people who pretend to revere an old man as a means of grabbing power.

Regardless, the Raiders were built on "Just WIN baby!" ...

We were 7-4 then went 1-4 in embarrassing fashion with a multitude of bad calls and a team that didn't show up.

******************

Hue is gone, ain't ever coming back. In my opinion, Lane, Cable, and even Shannahan are princes compared to that asswipe Hue. He can svck cokks in hel1.

I agreee, I think the coaching down the stretch cost Hue as much as anything. He was brutal down the stretch of the season with his decison making.

His tirade at the end of the season was stupid, but the big thing to me was after making the Palmer trade he at the end of the year was saying he was going to be more hands on and play a bigger role in the decision making process of the organization. There is no one who wanted that but Hue himself, I am sure that just made Davis and any other GM candidate cringe when they heard that.

[MileHighRaider]

We were 7-4 then went 1-4 in embarrassing fashion with a multitude of bad calls and a team that didn't show up.

The Donkeys handed us the keys to the division. Hue dropped them in the toilet.

[Da Swami]

I don't want to make a big argument out of this. I just want to point out that almost every NFL head coach has a meltdown, some less epic than others; and by the usual standard, Jackson saying what he said about the players and other coaches was pretty mild relative to "PLAYOFFS?!?!?" and "THEY WERE WHO WE THOUGHT THEY WERE!!!" and other famous caniption fits that NFL head coaches have had in post game press conferences.

And really, under the circumstances, can you blame a guy for losing it? Three 90+ yard TD drives allowed by the defense with under 5 minutes to go three weeks in a row--with the last resulting in us getting booted from the playoffs. I would have been chasing motherf'ers down with a chainsaw on the field to make sure they couldn't have a chance to escape into the locker room and lock the the doors behind them. That's probably one of the million reasons I'm not an NFL head coach, but the point is that losing it like Hue did that day isn't necessarily an indicator of anything abnormal.

That's not what I meant when I said he melted down.

He acted like a classless loser who wasn't up to the job.

Some of the things he said showed he is not HC material.

I could care less if he got angry or not.

[Da Swami]

Either we make the playoffs or I hope we suck enough to get Matt Barkley in the draft. Instead of 'Suck for Luck' we'll be pulling a 'Bomb for Barkley' if we struggle out of the gate.

You think we need a QB?

Even if we did go 5-11, a QB would not be where we should spend that pick.

That's insane.

[djh_raider]

"-- Remember how Jackson always referred to Al Davis as "Coach Davis"? Now HuJax says, "Everybody knows my hands were tied. I worked for Al Davis. He ran the defense, always had." Thus, in the afterlife, "Coach Davis," the beloved genius-mentor, has morphed into a lousy defensive coordinator named Al."

Not the biggest fan of how Al ran the team, but am much less of a fan of people who pretend to revere an old man as a means of grabbing power.

Regardless, the Raiders were built on "Just WIN baby!" ...

We were 7-4 then went 1-4 in embarrassing fashion with a multitude of bad calls and a team that didn't show up.

******************

Hue is gone, ain't ever coming back. In my opinion, Lane, Cable, and even Shannahan are princes compared to that asswipe Hue. He can svck cokks in hel1.

I agree completely.

Fact is Hue inherited an 8-8 team and turned it into, well, an 8-8 team. People can make excuses of injuries and the like. EVERY team has injuries. It is how you deal with and overcome them that matters. Hue's legacy may be bringing Carson Palmer into Oakland, giving the franchise a marquee QB it has not had in ages. If that ends up being the case, I will be grateful to Hue Jackson for that. But that is as far as it goes.

I actually think, with hindsight (I know, hindsight is 20/20), that the Raiders may have done better than 8-8 in 2011 with Cable as HC and Hue at OC, not to mention Marshall as DC. Who knows? And what Reggie would do inheriting that situation would have been interesting.

Anyway, I digress. Hue is gone, and rightly so. Bresnahan is gone, and rightly so. It is a new day, a new era.

[B. anthracis]

That's not what I meant when I said he melted down.

He acted like a classless loser who wasn't up to the job.

Some of the things he said showed he is not HC material.

I could care less if he got angry or not.

But how was it that much different than so many other coaches who have said the same things--including successful head coaches? The Tuna never bothered to spare his players feelings in public. And the best line ever from a head coach about his team came from John McKay of the Bucs. When asked how he felt about his team's execution he said, "I'm all for it".

It's always preferable that a coach remain stoic and try to take the heat for everyone else, but sometimes it just isn't going to happen.

Oh well, onward and forward and all that.

[RaiderReckoning]

But how was it that much different than so many other coaches who have said the same things--including successful head coaches? The Tuna never bothered to spare his players feelings in public. .

Hue Jackson- "Right now, I’m a .500 football coach at 7-7 and that’s not who I am"

Bill Parcells- "You are what your record says you are."


The two coaches couldn't be more different in their philosophy. One was about killing hype, the other was all about ego and hype until something went wrong and then it was someone elses fault.

I don't dislike Hue Jackson as a person or a coach, but I don't like the way he handled himself under adversity last season.

[kinz]

You think we need a QB?

Even if we did go 5-11, a QB would not be where we should spend that pick.

That's insane.

I think getting the QB for after Palmer will be the most important thing McKenzie does. That Palmer has several good years in him is a real bonus for us because it means we don't have to get our QB right away. But as soon as McKenzie sees the chance to get the guy he wants for the future, he should pull the trigger. If the worst we have is our QB of the future sitting and learning for a year, that is a fine problem to have.

I don't think it will be next year that we go for a QB, think maybe the one after, or even the one after that. But I think you just don't pass up the chance when you get it.

Hopefully we aren't picking that high next year. Would love to be looking at a CB or LB somewhere around pick 20 next spring.

[Naphtali]

Refresh my memory, who was our QB the last time Knapp was on board?

look at QB's hes had when had control of the offense during his entire tenure as O coord

I have already posted Knapp's career numbers when he was with the 49ers (the first 3 years of his OC career), top 10 and top 5 finishes in all categories. Knapp's first 2 years as an OC blow Hue's first 2 years as an OC out of the water.

The teams Hue Jackson coached as OC finished 8-8 both years

The teams Greg Knapp coached as OC finished:
2001 - 12-5 (playoffs)
2002 - 11-7 (playoffs)
2003 - 7-9
2004 - 12-5 (playoffs)
2005 - 8-8
2006 - 7-9

Like Hue, Knapp was the play caller so to say they weren't his offenses is BS. If you call the plays, you get the credit.

His stints with the Raiders and Seahawks were the 2 least talented teams he had to work with. We all know what the Raiders were during his tenure here but the Seahwaks were ranked 28th in offense the year before Knapp got there, he got them up to 21st before the whole staff was fired.

It could be argued he is walking into the most talented offense of his career, the only thing I see keeping this offense out of the top 10 is injuries.

When Knapp was with the 49ers Muchi was the offensive minded head coach, no you dont just get the credit for calling the plays. Mooch had key positions of the team already developed qb, wr, rb

You need to be a developer, teacher, installer, and playcaller.
Knapp blowing Hue out the water is a gross embellishment, Hue was asked to be the aforementioned things for the offense that was putird with help from Saunders, he wasn't just given the keys like Knapp to the 49ers where he just had to keep it rolling.

Whats more Knapp is a copycat system guy.....I dont like that, forcing players into a system. Unlike the 49ers but like other situations he is the guy on offense now that is developer, teacher, installer, and playcaller.
He didn't develop Vick(albeit other factors) he hindered Hassleback, the ironic part is that Vick had developed in the west coast with Reid as coach, and Hassleback was west coast developed by Holmgren so what was Knapp lacking as teacher and developer?

Also unlike Hue who was identified by AL like Shannahan and Gruden, Knapps time in the league as a bonified playcaller is suppose to be finished, his corpse was dug up when it should of been left to rot in the [no higher than QB coach because I screwed up enough times as coordinator} graveyard.
Hope it goes well and the talent overcomes him, but really we should of put AL Saunders in charge

[RaiderReckoning]

He didn't develop Vick(albeit other factors) he hindered Hassleback, the ironic part is that Vick had developed in the west coast with Reid as coach, and Hassleback was west coast developed by Holmgren so what was Knapp lacking as teacher and developer?

Hasslebeck had a higher passer rating in his season with Knapp than he did the yr before or after he was the OC there. not sure it's fair to say he hindered Hasslebeck