Clayton nails Oakland call (5-11)

[MileHighRaider]

Wow. The people we let on this site.

[Raiders707]

If you take all the new conditions for the team this year+schedule strength I guess I understand where he's coming from. Can't say I agree that we'll only win 5 games though.

[corleone]

Hue is now a special teams coach with the bengals. Shows much other front offices didnt really care about Hue as a HC, he wont be missed especially by me. One thing i will give him credit for is improving the offense but his leadership as a coach was terrible, throwing guys under the bus to the media when he should have kept it in house.

Jackson was fired because he was anundisciplined ninny when he didnt have someone over him like Al. We are not going 5-11 this season with the team we have unless we have worse injury luck then we did last year. This poll was just haters and uninformed losers.

Lmao this is your proof? I see more proof that we have taken a step forward. Firing Hue was a big step forward in itself.

Because he was the HC of the most undisciplined team in NFL history.

Isn't he a janitor in Cincinnati now?

Nah he wasn't qualified. He has to wash jock straps this year and maybe next year they will let him handle a broom.

fvck it then, let's not even play the games... Let's hire Hue Jackson back and go 7-9 and listen to him after games saying "I promise you we not going to blink. We're going to fix this I promise you that. This is unacceptable and this football team is going to blink until I fix it. This is on me and I PROMISE YOU we're going to get back to work and fix this thang. As soon as I get my nails and feet done, I'm going to fix this thing and blink later".

You forgot the part where he blames the players right after saying its his fault.

lol at the 9-9 comment first and foremost - I still get a laugh at the redundancy of all of Tenebrous' threads and the fact that they get 2-3+ pages with ease smh.

Hue was a fine offensive coordinator but clearly wasn't cutout for a head coaching job - where is he again and what's his title?

Hue was fine as an OC, although down the stretch with the season on the line we had games with 14, 16, and 16 points. He was a horrible head coach and there was no way he was coming back this season. He had lost this team. It would have been a disaster. I don't know what our record would be, and I don't really care. I do know that we are in a much better position moving forward without Hue coaching this team. Bring him back and Reggie just has to fire Hue during the bye week if not before. The man was not liked by his players or his coach's after his stupid tirade at the end of the season.

Thanks guys, you just saved me from having to do some typing.

[Rainman56]

What kind of sick bastard makes a thread like this

[leafs43]

I don't want to agree with Clayton, but we are not a good football team right now.


We had almost no draft, we now have a whole new coaching staff, we lost some good players while picking up none.


I'm usually optimistic but unless some of our players have all star type years, this team is going nowhere this year.

[dezcruel]

cellphone...

Hahaha..cell phones don't have 8's on 'em? Mine does. Just messin' anyway. For the record, liked having Hue as OC, thought the HC thing went way to his head, and eventually I think the team, or at least part of it, became resentful...not all Hue's fault, but he deserves his fair share of the blame as much, if not more than anyone. Just my opinion...I know Cable wasn't the offensive mind that Hue was, but I think the team played harder for Cable and respected him more than they did Hue.(just based on the reactions when Cable was fired and their performance on the field the previous year) Remember this, Gruden took over a team built for Al's game, and had success..took 3 years but, I think our core talent is just as good this time around, if not better.We lost a couple players, but I like what we've done to patch up the holes in the secondary, not mega superstars, but just solid veteran players who I think can get the job done. Given the limitations of our draft, I thought it was solid for what it was. If Rolando can get his head out, and materialize into what we expected him to be, I expect our D to be a LOT better.Obviously, offense is still a question mark..right side of the line, TE and backup RB. While it seems like DMC ran better behind the power block scheme, one thing I noticed when we had the ZBS was that, it seemed like no matter who we plugged in at RB, they seemed to do well...that's one of my bigger concerns..the effect of ZBS on DMC. Less worried about whether Carson can adapt to WCO..I think he'll do it with relative ease..something I believe our less "cerebral" QB's of the past would have had a problem with. This team is far better than anyone is giving credit for, for whatever reasons and 5-11 predictions are an insult. Does anyone honestly believe that we will be swept by a division opponent? San Diego is on the way down, they'll be rebuilding next year..Donkeys and Peyton? Don't think that combo will be all it's cracked up to be, Peyton takes one good hit and their season is over....KC? bwahahaha!! WORST case scenario..7-9..best case, I think we could get in the playoffs this year..yeah I'm a homer!!lol!!

[MadBomber24]

I dont hate Hue. I'm just tired of those that keep whining about him not being here anymore. He did a good job with the offense considering where it was before he got here. But he also left a lot to be desired both as a playcaller and as an HC. Yea he is still young as far as experience goes and he can learn and get better but he absolutely deserved to get fired after his end of the year press conferences. He knew we were getting a GM and still went in front of the media and said he is going to have more power next season. He wrote his own ticket out the door. Blame RM or MD all you want but Hue fired himself before RM was even fired because of what he said publicly.

Before he held those press conferences I was in favor of Hue keeping his job. I was never a big fan of his but I felt he deserved the chance to develop as an HC. But as soon as he opened his mouth at the end of the season I wanted him gone Al or no Al.

i dont know why some of these guys are super-hue haters all of the sudden

the guy's work speaks for itself

its all about who they like and dont like on here

if they like him, they make excuses

if they dont, they say he sucks

no doubt in my mind knapp will never be half the OC hue was ALL POLITICS ASIDE

so in short, i agree with you

but i also understand why hue is gone

but i WILL NOT pretend that he wasnt a damn good OC here

anybody thinkin otherwise, have the hater-blind shades on

[truepirate1966]

If you take all the new conditions for the team this year+schedule strength I guess I understand where he's coming from. Can't say I agree that we'll only win 5 games though.

I agree the schedule is tougher than last season, I think the only way we dont go 8-8 or better, would be due to injury and our lack of depth, more so on defence than offence. If we can stay healthy on defence for the most part and DMC for atleast 12 to 14 games if not the entire season, which I have a feeling he is going to do this year and shock alot of people, we are going to do well.

[Rainman56]

I dont hate Hue. I'm just tired of those that keep whining about him not being here anymore. He did a good job with the offense considering where it was before he got here.

I agree.I had no problem with Hue,myself I didn,t even mind alot of what he said after the last game about the team needing an attitude change...He,ll get another OC job at some point imo as he made a vast improvement in our offence.I think he was in line for the HC job when he was hired as OC should Cable not work out...Under Al or another Raider GM to keep the reins on him I think he could have grown into a decent coach.His ego was his biggest liability and probally the main reason he got the axe imo.Point is he,s gone and Knapps here.Its a done deal whether we like it or not.

[dezcruel]

Yes, ridiculous-land, these are your posts:

Hmm, nothing to with Jackosn, yet cite a new HC is one reason... LOL.

Hmm, 2-14 with a healthy team and a new DC - after going 8-8.

In regards to 9-9, yeah, you got me - I meant 8-8, not sure why I hit 9 - my mistake.

Those aren't MY posts..I'm Dez Cruel he's DJH Raider...is that you Swami?lol. Just givin' you the biz,lol...I knew what you meant.

[StickShift]

I think he was in line for the HC job when he was hired as OC should Cable not work out...

Cable was a goner either way. The only reason Al didn't fire him was he didn't want to pay the last year of his contract. Al said Cable would have been fired even if we had made the playoffs.

Hue basically took the HC gig while his so-called "friend" was still the head coach. If you were a HC would you want to hire a backstabber as your OC?

Hue's issues aren't x's and o's, it is his personality.

[kinz]

I agree the schedule is tougher than last season, I think the only way we dont go 8-8 or better, would be due to injury and our lack of depth, more so on defence than offence. If we can stay healthy on defence for the most part and DMC for atleast 12 to 14 games if not the entire season, which I have a feeling he is going to do this year and shock alot of people, we are going to do well.

Depth is a concern for all teams. For us, its a huge concern. Our o-line is still pretty thin, although a bit better than last year. But if we lose Veldheer or Wiz, I don't see it holding up. McFadden going down has to be a huge concern. I have little faith in Goodson, and think Jones will struggle hugely if put in a major role. We have no TEs, so its not really a matter of depth there. QB the depth is decent. Leinhart was a good signing. WR depth is very good. FB also has good depth.

D-line has good depth. LB has very questionable depth. Safety seems okay at SS, iffy behind Huff at FS, CB seems a bit of a mess as they all seem like depth, no starters.

Injuries will hit, and we will have trouble coping. Just not a solid football team now. That is what happens when you pay Seymour 15 mil and Kelly 10 mil and Palmer 17 mil.

[Raidaguy831]

A lot of you guys are full of it.Im not even gonna get started.

[JUSTautumnWINd]

I have a lot of concerns -- Defense, Knapp, McFadden's health, etc. But, it's too early to make a meaningful prediction. These numbers are gibberish. If there's no noticeable dropoff in offensive explosiveness AND McFadden stays healthy, we will compete against most teams. Period. Now, if DA can work some magic with the defense.... Hell, we should contend for the division -- again.

[-Tenebrous-]

...Before he held those press conferences I was in favor of Hue keeping his job. I was never a big fan of his but I felt he deserved the chance to develop as an HC. But as soon as he opened his mouth at the end of the season I wanted him gone Al or no Al.

I understand this; that terrible press conference + the way he treated Campbell did not sit well with me. However, after some time to cool off, I can understand his frustration at the end; that game was winnable, the offense put enough points on the board to win. With respect to Campbell, that one is more difficult to understand.

Also, I have read many posts stating that Jackson lost the locker-room, but I recall Seymour expressly stating that Hue had not lost the locker-room, even after his last press conference. I also recall that Palmer said something similar along with DHB if I recall correctly.

In the end, Jackson was not perfect, but he did enough with a badly injured team to warrant another season. Now, Knapp has the keys to that offense and that has an effect - sadly a negative one, at least for now, until the season starts and he actually demonstrates otherwise.