Jaws QB Countdown Palmer ranked

**TheMongoose** · 06-20-2012, 04:45 PM

#21 by ESPN analyst and former QB Ron Jaworski
Today Ron unveiled the 21st spot on his QB rankings to be Carson Palmer who is one spot ahead of Cassel

Jaws: Carson Palmer is 21st-best QB - AFC West Blog - ESPN

Heres What Bill Williamson had to say

Suddenly, Ron Jaworski has ranked half of the starting quarterbacks in the AFC West.

A day after he put Kansas City’s Matt Cassel at No. 22, Jaworski has ranked Oakland’s Carson Palmer as the 21st best quarterback in the NFL. Jaworski is ranking the top 30 quarterbacks in the NFL.

I do think Palmer is the third-best quarterback in the AFC West, but I think Jaworski is under-ranking him some. I’d put Palmer in the 15-17 range. There is no doubt Palmer, 32, is declining and his interception numbers are too high. But I think he still has a quality arm and he is a good fit for the Oakland receivers.

To his credit, Jaworski does find some good things to say about Palmer. Let’s look at what he has to say: “Number 21 in my quarterback rankings is Carson Palmer. From 2005 to 2007, Palmer was among the top three quarterbacks in the league. Things have certainly changed in the last five years. But one thing remains -- Palmer can still make big-time NFL throws.

“You have to be willing to pull the trigger on tight-window throws; that kind of aggressive confidence is part of Palmer's DNA. That's an attribute that I've always liked about Palmer. You can't be tentative and uncertain in the pocket. You have to turn it loose. Now, we know there's a fine line between belief and poor judgment, and Palmer at times crosses that line. But the explosive plays don't come if you don't throw it.”

“Palmer had the highest interception percentage of any AFC starting quarterback. Overall, he threw 16 picks. Three came in his first game when he was forced to play before he was ready, after missing all of training camp and the season's first six weeks.”

“I evaluated all of Palmer's interceptions. As expected, the reasons were many: poor ball location to open receivers, pass rush pressure which led to inaccurate throws, questionable decision making, which just can't happen in the red zone with a veteran quarterback. Overall, Palmer showed some glimpses of what we saw in the past. He remains a pure pocket passer with the arm talent to make outstanding throws.

“I'm a big Carson Palmer fan, so I am very anxious to see Palmer in 2012. He was erratic and inconsistent with his accuracy and his decision making last season. That must improve or he'll remain a middle-of-the-pack quarterback.”

You can't blame him for ranking him this low, but I'm sure most of us agree otherwise that this upcoming season he has the potential to be a top 12 QB

**EmeraldCityR8r** · 06-20-2012, 04:48 PM

I have a hard time naming 20 quarterbacks better than Carson

**FLORIDARAYDAH** · 06-20-2012, 04:53 PM

Hard to argue with anything he said.Does it really matter if he is ranked #21 or #17 ?Hopefully Dmac stays healthy and we dont have to count on a QB on the decline to carry us.

**EmeraldCityR8r** · 06-20-2012, 04:56 PM

I might be in the minority but i still think he can potentially be a top 10 quarterback

**TheMongoose** · 06-20-2012, 05:00 PM

Originally Posted by EmeraldCityR8r

I have a hard time naming 20 quarterbacks better than Carson

Ill try to name some

These QBs IMO are definitely better than him
Tom brady
Peyton Manning
Aaron Rodgers
Drew Brees
Eli Manning

These QBs all have cases that could say they are better but IMO I think Carson Palmer is on their level
Matt Ryan
Ben Roethlisburger
Matt Stafford
Philip Rivers
Tony Romo
Jay Cutler
Cam Newton

I could only name 12

**HBD** · 06-20-2012, 05:11 PM

Thats it. Were done.
Why bother even trying?
Lets take our ball and go home ...
cuz some washed up blabbermouth is judging our QB on last years "off the couch" NO-playbook fiasco.

**bleed4raiders** · 06-20-2012, 05:24 PM

Don't really agree with the ranking, but I do agree with his assessment

**Palehorse** · 06-20-2012, 05:25 PM

I think this tidbit fits nicely here...

Carson Palmer, QB, Oakland Raiders: Shocking as it might seem, Palmer ranked seventh in yards per game and third in yards per attempt among QBs last season. If you prorate Palmer's stats over 16 games -- with no improvement -- he would have had as many fantasy points as Ben Roethlisberger last season. He did so despite being traded during the season, having to learn a new playbook and work with unfamiliar wide receivers. Palmer knows the playbook and his receivers this season. (Shawn Cwalinski)

2012 Fantasy Football Sleepers and Busts: Titus Young, Shane Vereen, Cam Newton, Steve Smith on the list - Fantasy Football - ESPN

**Snoop750** · 06-20-2012, 05:53 PM

Last season we didn't miss the playoffs due to Palmer. He kept us in the hunt and considering the injuries at WR and inconsistent play, plus the samething at RB, I thought he did a great job. I'd blame the defense and hue more for the horrible stretch at the end.
Carson jumped into the middle of The fire and kept us in there.

This season will be a more valid evaluation of Palmer as an Oakland Raider.
Hope he gets it done!!!!

**TheMongoose** · 06-20-2012, 05:54 PM

Originally Posted by Palehorse

I think this tidbit fits nicely here...

2012 Fantasy Football Sleepers and Busts: Titus Young, Shane Vereen, Cam Newton, Steve Smith on the list - Fantasy Football - ESPN

This is essentially what all analysts and media outlets forget to mention while critiquing Palmer

He literally came off the couch and did a pretty decent job for what he had to work with

**Raidermofojeff** · 06-20-2012, 06:10 PM

He should be top 5

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**JoeKiev** · 06-20-2012, 07:28 PM

Claps is gonna love this thread.

**JUSTWINBABY9111** · 06-20-2012, 07:31 PM

Any QB that can make all the throws has the potential to be a top QB. Jaws states what many have stated. He can make all the throws, but he makes poor decisions. At least he can make all the throws, and decision making can be improved. Not really possible to rank him after last season, but it doesn't matter. He still brings hope to the QB position for the first time in a long time. I would think most Raider fans that have witnessed the last 10 years of Raider football would see that even an aging vet is improvement. We have been that bad at the QB position. I will happily see what he can do as Reggie finds the guy to lead us into the future.