i think whats not said enough is how much hue improved the offensive line, i think campbell had about 4 sacks all season before he went down for good
im just scared that this zbs crap will make this line that obviously excells in PBS will take a step back in ZBS
who know's, but i'm hoping the 3 good guys on our line can make up for the 2 others who are questionable.
27. Oakland Raiders
LT: Jared Veldheer*
LG: Cooper Carlisle*
C: Stefen Wisniewski*
RG: Mike Brisiel
RT: Khalif Barnes*
Top reserves: T/G Joseph Barksdale, G/T Tony Bergstrom, OG Zach Hurd, T/G Ed Wang, C/G Alex Parsons.
Overview: Another team in offensive renovation, the Raiders have done away with former coach Hue Jackson's power-blocking scheme in favor of new OC Greg Knapp's zone system. This unit had better be ready to run block. In nine years as a coordinator, Knapp's offenses have finished in the league's top five in rushing attempts seven times. Veldheer and Wisniewski are athletic enough for the new scheme, and Brisiel has 47 starts in it. Carlisle has history as a zone-blocking guard. Oakland's problematic position projects to be right tackle, where the Raiders lack compelling alternatives to power blocker Barnes. Barksdale possesses heavy feet, and Oakland doesn't have a single reserve with starting experience. This unit looks solid from left tackle to right guard, but the fifth spot is a potentially large trouble area and there's no fallback option in place.
2012 Offensive Line Rankings - Matchups - Rotoworld.com
Not that I am surprised at the lack of recognition of ANY O-lineman, but I personally thought that Stefan Wiz deserved way more press for the solid (REALLY solid) season he turned in as a rookie. Now to learn that he played the whole thing with a torn labrum? Even more impressive.
Oakland Raiders' Stefen Wisniewski Had a Better Rookie Season than Anyone Realized - Bay Bridge Banter - SB Nation Bay Area
And Veldheer ? C'mon man... Give a little credit.
I know we all had some valid arguments on if some of us were jumping on the Veldheer bandwagon early after his 2010 season... but after last year??? The kid gave up only 4 sacks all year with two statues of a QB's in Campbell and Palmer! Started all 16 games. had only 9 penalties all F-ing year! His performance against Jared Allen, completely shutting down and dominating the Sack leader for the 2011 season (22 sacks and not even a hurry against Veldheer) let me know that we DEFINITELY have one of the best Left Tackles in this damn league brother. And the best part? He's mean! You can tell he's an enforcer. He mixes it up after plays when other players don't act right, and blocks with a nasty streak on the run.
(Old vid, but it certainly shows that the guy can finish blocks.)
As for Mike Brisiel... he was one of the best run blocking pieces (Foster and Tate averaged 5.9 yds running off of RG/MIke Brisiel, source: ProFootballFocus.com) on a team that ended 2nd in rushing yards in the NFL. On top of that... He gave up the least sacks on the team (Not surprising a Guard gave up the least, but nevertheless.)
Cooper Carlisle is a solid vet and should be better playing between Wiz and Veldheer this year.
And then there's Khalif Barnes/Joe Barksdale/Tony Bergstrom.... I personally think Barksdale is the right man for the job, but we shall see. For all those people saying "Barnes sucks"... They are just getting mad because he is a pea-brain, idiot. Guy can't play without a penalty. However, on his talent, abilities and Power? Barnes could be one of our best (Granted, a pea-brain is damn near a deal killer on O-line, which is why I want Barksdale)..
Make no mistake.... This O-line is the most complete part of this team, in my humble opinion
"We are masters of the unsaid words, but slaves of those we let slip out”
Except we will have a top five rushing attack, so whatever rotoworld wants to rank us will be largely irrelevant by oh, say, week two. I'm not sure what your point is here wrt ex-coaches; seems like a bit of a non sequitur.
Could be lack of caffeine, though. Long day.
I read another article that said the Raiders RT position (Barnes and Barksdale, largely) counted for 16 of their 25 sacks.
If that is true, that means 9 sacks total for the rest of the team and only 4 sacks from Veldheer who had the pleasure of seeing Tamba Hali twice, Jared Allen, Julius Peppers, Aldon Smith (*14 sacks), Connor Barwin, Von Miller, Elvis Dummervil, Cliff Avril, Andre Carter, Antwaan Barnes, etc... etc...
That is the WHO's who list of the NFL Sack leaders from last year.... All, going against Veldheer. 4 sacks given up. Show your love JUSTWIN911... Show your love.
"We are masters of the unsaid words, but slaves of those we let slip out”
When I mentioned former coaches, my point is for the last 10 years not one deserved to be head coach, DC or OC. To say coaches went on to other jobs means nothing to me. They just weren't guys that many teams sought for HC, OC, DC. Not one guy hired did we think was deserving and always a let down. Knapp is no exception in this new era. That is all, I'm on a soap box I guess. I'm done, lol. I want nothing more than to take the next step and win the division. And Knapp exhausted his opportunities in this league as OC, I guess I'm a fortune teller on that one.
But with that said. If Palmer goes out and has good numbers and we still lose I won't be blaming Palmer for that. If we are losing games 35-28 every week but Palmer is throwing 2 or 3 TDs most games then it will be clear to me that Palmer is a better QB then JC regardless of who's record is better.[/QUOTE]
Thats the problem though. So what if he throws 3 touchdowns per game, what if that comes with his average 2 interceptions too? People look at his numbers and think hes a great quarterback, sure but they too easily dismiss how the negative side of his game affects the win loss column. Does 3 Touchdowns and 300 yards negate 2 interceptions? Logically:
2 interceptions equals = 10 less carries for DMAC
10 less carries for DMAC = 50 less rushing yards per game
50 less rushing yards per game = much more time remaining on the clock
More time on the clock = more exposure of a suspect defense
More exposure of a suspect defense = more points against
More points against = more passing, even less carries for DMAC
You see, that one extra turnover a game is much more critical than "just one more interception". Thats not even accounting for DMACs explosiveness and those yards and scores could very well be much higher than that on average. This team was successful with Jason Campbell not so much because of Jason but because he allowed our team to play to its strength. Its strength is Darren McFadden, no ifs ands or buts about it. Leaning on Darren put points on the board and kept our defense off of the field.
Thats why im saying it all depends on Carson Palmer. The guy doesnt need to throw for 300 yards or 4 touchdowns. If the guy throws for 150 yards per game, 1 or 2 touchdowns but is able to keep his touchdown to interception rate at or close to 2:1, this team will exceed 8 wins. Just like it would have last year had he (we) avoided the turnovers. You can cry about DMAC, you can cry about the defense but the bottom line is, the turnovers cost this team the playoffs last year. Avoid that, this team can and should improve.
"If thats the world you live in"
If only, Closed minds came with Closed mouths!
I get all that and know there will be games like that. But is that different then when say Peyton Manning throws 4 INTs in a win (hey it's happened)? I don't subscribe to the "normal" way of doing things or looking at things. I'm not arguing with you okie because I agree with much of what you are saying. But I wasn't one of those who judged JC when he played poorly and I'm not doing it with Palmer either. Atleast not after just a few games. Only way I'm going to blame any QB for a loss is if the defense plays well and the offense struggles to move the ball and put up points (esspecially the passing game).
The better question is ‘what are the reasons I wouldn’t take this job.’ I mean, I’ll be here…yall won’t eat dinner tonight with all the reasons I have to take this job. Guys, this is where I came from. I’m back home now. I’m back home. - Reggie McKenzie
i wasnt implying that it would change
i was stating the sack number to prove a point on how good the line performed
why are you posting that stupid video about campbell again?
you realize that video is based on campbell being in a WCO right? a system he doesnt fit
guess what? Palmer doesnt fit it either
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