Pryor looks to build on shortened rookie season

[cheapshotartist]

Some guys just dont like him and thats that.

In a nut shell, they don't like him and that is really it. It has nothing to do with his ability to play in the NFL they just don't like the man. I can live with that it's just all the weak azz excuses they are using to justify their personal dislike.

[heavyD]

In a nut shell, they don't like him and that is really it. It has nothing to do with his ability to play in the NFL they just don't like the man. I can live with that it's just all the weak azz excuses they are using to justify their personal dislike.

Why is it that not terribly being confident in the ability of the 3rd string QB gets construed into hate for a guy that none of us even know personally? I give him props for being anti-Russell and putting effort into his craft but I don't think he tries any harder than any 3rd string QB on the bubble desperately trying to move up the pecking order. This isn't even remotely close to the strange dislike some posters had for Campbell even when he was winning games as a starter for the Raiders and every loss was his fault and every win in spite of him in the eyes of some posters.

After all we are talking about a guy that most NFL teams would have tried to turn into a TE or WR. I don't understand why I should forego conventional wisdom and blindly call this guy anything more than he is which is a project whith a very low probability for success as an NFL QB. Hope myself, others and scouts are wrong but until proven otherwise I'd prefer to focus on players that are going to contribute to the 2012 season.

[coogi]

Good points LKN and I agree what I'm trying to get across is why is there so much concern over our #3 QB who may or may not make the team. Lets talk about our starting RT who is still false starting in practice or our LB's or run defense. At this point Pryor is not that important IMHO so why are so many people finding issues with a player who will not see the field in 2012 unless our #1 & #2 go down?

^^^ training camp cant get here soon enough

[coogi]

I'm all for him as a backup, I just don't want the Raider's not to draft a QB if one falls to us in the 1st round that is high on their draft board. Like Ran said the injuries of a run first QB is scary to think about. A QB that takes off with the ball a lot could be an often injured QB. It's a lot easier to replace a often injured RB than a QB. Maybe some are like me, I just want a pocket passer.

I don't think a run first QB will ever win Super Bowl. If one does it will be a Super Man like Newton. A one in a billion type player is what Cam is, and probably won't win a title. TP could be good, but I just don't want to waste anytime, our Super Bowl drought has been long enough. I want a Brees, Rodgers, Manning type QB. We have to draft QBs to find a QB like this, in this QB driven league. It's crazy we took so few chances on QB's early in a QB driven league. Also the board didn't want a QB most years draft. Big mistake. There is a long list of guys we have drafted that did not turn out to be super stars. All of them.

That's all I have to say about that, just my opinion. We need a stud QB to ever get to the Super Bowl.

i agree you need a legit QB to get to the big game...we may or may not have a guy good enough on our current roster but IMO we need to fix our defense..we have been horrible against the run for far too long...when is the last time a HORRIBLE defense ever won a superbowl??lets hope our new scheme works!

[cheapshotartist]

Why is it that not terribly being confident in the ability of the 3rd string QB gets construed into hate for a guy that none of us even know personally? I give him props for being anti-Russell and putting effort into his craft but I don't think he tries any harder than any 3rd string QB on the bubble desperately trying to move up the pecking order. This isn't even remotely close to the strange dislike some posters had for Campbell even when he was winning games as a starter for the Raiders and every loss was his fault and every win in spite of him in the eyes of some posters.

After all we are talking about a guy that most NFL teams would have tried to turn into a TE or WR. I don't understand why I should forego conventional wisdom and blindly call this guy anything more than he is which is a project whith a very low probability for success as an NFL QB. Hope myself, others and scouts are wrong but until proven otherwise I'd prefer to focus on players that are going to contribute to the 2012 season.

You have your views and I have my own, I have no problem with that. You can focus on whatever you choose to focus on it's none of my business.

[heavyD]

You have your views and I have my own, I have no problem with that. You can focus on whatever you choose to focus on it's none of my business.

I have a problem with people insinuating that I don't like Pryor. That's all.

[cheapshotartist]

I have a problem with people insinuating that I don't like Pryor. That's all.

Like I said that's on you, I don't recall calling anyone out by name. If I recall I said some fans on this site just don't like the man.

[djh_raider]

Exactly.

Nobody knows but Id guess hes a couple years away from developing enough to be a decent starter, and he may never even get that far, but I dont see any reason not to be for the guy at this point.

Some guys just dont like him and thats that.

NWTF, there are plenty of reasons not to be "for the guy". There are a number of red flags surrounding his play, his technique, his ability (desire) to learn, and his rapport with teammates and coaches.

So far, I have heard nothing positive from people watching the OTA's and mini camp, his fellow players, and coaches beyond he is there and working. And so he should be. All the 'positive' talk comes from Pryor himself. That has to make you wonder.

It is not hating on the guy. Some people have annointed him as the future of the Raiders. We had folks on here saying he will be the #2 in 2012! I am just pointing out the concerns. I have related what I have been told about his flaws, and it seems those flaws still remain, today. It is not hate. It is providing insight and balancing the "future of the Raiders" posts. Even you are talking about him being a starter in a few years. Based on the OTA's and mini camp, he is light years away from ever being a starter. In the no contact and 7 on 7 drills, he looked ok. As soon as he was put under pressure, he spayed the ball around.

Before JaMarcus Russell was drafted I, and others, were pointing out the red flags there. We got the same 'hater' cmments. Sometimes players overcome the red flags surrounding them coming out of college. But not often.

Maybe the perspective will change when people see Pryor in pre-season. Probably not though. Thank goodness the Raiders signed Leinart as the #2 QB, otherwise, the Pryor chants after Carson Palmer throws his first INT will be embarassing.

If I was saying the same things about any other player, on any other team, everyone would be in agreement. But, because it is Terrelle Pryor, I am a 'hater'.

[NoClapsPlease]

I have a problem with people insinuating that I don't like Pryor. That's all.

well read your posts

realize that they lack any substantial evidence past your personal beliefs and interpretation from interviews

and you can see why somebody would think you simply do not like terrelle pryor - the man, instead of the football player

[cheapshotartist]

NWTF, there are plenty of reasons not to be "for the guy". There are a number of red flags surrounding his play, his technique, his ability (desire) to learn, and his rapport with teammates and coaches.

So far, I have heard nothing positive from people watching the OTA's and mini camp, his fellow players, and coaches beyond he is there and working. And so he should be. All the 'positive' talk comes from Pryor himself. That has to make you wonder.

It is not hating on the guy. Some people have annointed him as the future of the Raiders. We had folks on here saying he will be the #2 in 2012! I am just pointing out the concerns. I have related what I have been told about his flaws, and it seems those flaws still remain, today. It is not hate. It is providing insight and balancing the "future of the Raiders" posts. Even you are talking about him being a starter in a few years. Based on the OTA's and mini camp, he is light years away from ever being a starter. In the no contact and 7 on 7 drills, he looked ok. As soon as he was put under pressure, he spayed the ball around.

Before JaMarcus Russell was drafted I, and others, were pointing out the red flags there. We got the same 'hater' cmments. Sometimes players overcome the red flags surrounding them coming out of college. But not often.

Maybe the perspective will change when people see Pryor in pre-season. Probably not though. Thank goodness the Raiders signed Leinart as the #2 QB, otherwise, the Pryor chants after Carson Palmer throws his first INT will be embarassing.

If I was saying the same things about any other player, on any other team, everyone would be in agreement. But, because it is Terrelle Pryor, I am a 'hater'.

We all have our own view on things but I'll wait and see how he does in training camp and the preseason before I comment on his ability. I really don't know that much about him except he had some issues in college. I don't know If he will be a starter in the future or another stiff, Time will tell.

[djh_raider]

We all have our own view on things but I'll wait and see how he does in training camp and the preseason before I comment on his ability. I really don't know that much about him except he had some issues in college. I don't know If he will be a starter in the future or another stiff, Time will tell.

No problem there at all, CSA.

I just worry about him be annointed by some as the future of the Raiders. There needs to be some perspective put out to counteract that. Especially given the commodity we are talking about.

I have a fair idea of what will happen come camp time. It really is not going to change much from what has happened thus far, imo. As for pre-season games, they will be talked up or down without regard to the competition. Bottom line, Pryor is the #3 QB on the Raiders roster. Even that spot is tenuous. Hopefully, you and every one else will see in pre-season why he is #3.

[NWTF]

NWTF, there are plenty of reasons not to be "for the guy". There are a number of red flags surrounding his play, his technique, his ability (desire) to learn, and his rapport with teammates and coaches.

So far, I have heard nothing positive from people watching the OTA's and mini camp, his fellow players, and coaches beyond he is there and working. And so he should be. All the 'positive' talk comes from Pryor himself. That has to make you wonder.

It is not hating on the guy. Some people have annointed him as the future of the Raiders. We had folks on here saying he will be the #2 in 2012! I am just pointing out the concerns. I have related what I have been told about his flaws, and it seems those flaws still remain, today. It is not hate. It is providing insight and balancing the "future of the Raiders" posts. Even you are talking about him being a starter in a few years. Based on the OTA's and mini camp, he is light years away from ever being a starter. In the no contact and 7 on 7 drills, he looked ok. As soon as he was put under pressure, he spayed the ball around.

Before JaMarcus Russell was drafted I, and others, were pointing out the red flags there. We got the same 'hater' cmments. Sometimes players overcome the red flags surrounding them coming out of college. But not often.

Maybe the perspective will change when people see Pryor in pre-season. Probably not though. Thank goodness the Raiders signed Leinart as the #2 QB, otherwise, the Pryor chants after Carson Palmer throws his first INT will be embarassing.

If I was saying the same things about any other player, on any other team, everyone would be in agreement. But, because it is Terrelle Pryor, I am a 'hater'.

No, you just like to assume a lot.

It will play itself out. If he cant develop he will be released. I wont give a sh!t one way or the other. In the meantime I will hope he can become something down the road and you can hope he doesn't. It wont affect the outcome.

[cheapshotartist]

I just worry about him be anointed by some as the future of the Raiders. There needs to be some perspective put out to counteract that.

This happens a lot around here, there is a thread right now that says our defense will be better than our offense in 2012.

[coogi]

well read your posts

realize that they lack any substantial evidence past your personal beliefs and interpretation from interviews

and you can see why somebody would think you simply do not like terrelle pryor - the man, instead of the football player

well at least you are calling him a football player and not a QB...at this point DMC and Lechler are about as good at QB as he is..and the evidence is coming stright from people who see him at practice..there is a reason dude is #3 on the depth chart and its not because hes got tons of potential to be a starter

[regret]

Except we knew that he was a project who was coming in here without any real NFL-caliber passing skills. So some can't help but wonder what kind of axe you have to grind when you go out of your way to make a back-handed remark like "LOL THE PUNTER IS A BETTER QB THAN HIM LOL". Yeah, no ****, Sherlock. Pryor has a long way to go, and beyond one or two crazies -- who I haven't seen post in a while -- no one is hoping for much from our emergency quarterback this year or next.