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    Quote Originally Posted by MileHighRaider View Post
    I have no problem with open and honest debate. I have a problem when an immature punk (Huff) uses a dead guy to deflect attention from his own personal failures.
    Man! Why do you have so much hate for huff? If he is as bad as you say, why didn't Reggie get rid of him like routt and wimbley? Really? I read this whole thread, and your right at some points but wrong at others. All huff said was that he was happy to have a different scheme than the same old one he's known since he's been there. Yes, I know missing tackles and penalties. Blah blah blah. He never said that al Davis's defense is what was making him play the way he did. All he said was he was happy al Davis isn't calling the shots in defense anymore. Cause god knows, even you know, that al's defense could not stop modern day offenses and not be as good as modern day defenses. You can't play man every down and expect to be a kick ass defense.

    And I wasn't disrespecting al Davis. Rip. I like him as much as everyone on this board. But the truth is the truth. And no it does not excuse the way players miss tackles, your right on that. But don't get mad at huff for speaking the truth. And huff even said rip. So he wasn't disrespecting him or as you say, dragging under the bus.
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    Quote Originally Posted by heavyD View Post
    Yep and who's the guy that was handing out those terrible contracts and ensuring his scholarship players played regardless of ability or effectiveness? The same guy enforcing a 1970's defensive scheme 30 years past it's expiry date.
    And Huff is one of these guys.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SenorCacaface View Post
    Man! Why do you have so much hate for huff? If he is as bad as you say, why didn't Reggie get rid of him like routt and wimbley? Really? I read this whole thread, and your right at some points but wrong at others. All huff said was that he was happy to have a different scheme than the same old one he's known since he's been there. Yes, I know missing tackles and penalties. Blah blah blah. He never said that al Davis's defense is what was making him play the way he did. All he said was he was happy al Davis isn't calling the shots in defense anymore. Cause god knows, even you know, that al's defense could not stop modern day offenses and not be as good as modern day defenses. You can't play man every down and expect to be a kick ass defense.

    And I wasn't disrespecting al Davis. Rip. I like him as much as everyone on this board. But the truth is the truth. And no it does not excuse the way players miss tackles, your right on that. But don't get mad at huff for speaking the truth. And huff even said rip. So he wasn't disrespecting him or as you say, dragging under the bus.
    If you did indeed read the whole thread, you would then know I do not HATE Huff but rather am hoping he performs up to the level of a top 10 draft choice that he was.

    I and some others find his comments disrespectful on one hand (there was no need to drag Mr Davis into the conversation; he could have made his point with more class) and on the other hand he fails to own up to his own failures as contributing factors to the challenges this defense has had.

    Yes I'm disappointed in his comments but it's not hate.

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    He was, presumably, asked about his thoughts on our defensive scheme and perhaps how it compared to what he was accustomed to, and you think that he should have taken that opportunity to launch off on an introspective tangent on his own performance as a safety?

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    Quote Originally Posted by regret View Post
    He was, presumably, asked about his thoughts on our defensive scheme and perhaps how it compared to what he was accustomed to, and you think that he should have taken that opportunity to launch off on an introspective tangent on his own performance as a safety?
    An answer like ... We all know the defense last year wasn't good enough. Part of it was scheme, but also the players could have played better. I know I could have played better, and really think this year we will turn things around.

    I have yet to see anyone on the defense take personal accountability for absolutely putrid play on defense. If Seymour was a leader, he would do it. He has nothing to lose, and his personal fouls and complete disappearance at times were horrid. Kelly could do it too.

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    Yeah, sorry, I would expect similarly putrid performance if any mediocre DC in the league died mid-season and you were left in charge. Which is essentially what happened when Chuckles took over for Al.

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    Quote Originally Posted by regret View Post
    Yeah, sorry, I would expect similarly putrid performance if any mediocre DC in the league died mid-season and you were left in charge. Which is essentially what happened when Chuckles took over for Al.
    ?

    Breshnehan was ****. But we still had a chance to make the playoffs, and the defense simply quit out there.

    New year this year, but a lot of these guys have quit through and through. If they don't change, they won't be around. So far it seems like when McKenzie says something, he means it. A couple "out of whack contracts" rolled some heads. He also said "he wants guys who love to play football". Walking around on the field is 100% not going to cut it this year. I'd bet more are gone before this is over. New slate, but new rules for these guys on defense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by regret View Post
    He was, presumably, asked about his thoughts on our defensive scheme and perhaps how it compared to what he was accustomed to, and you think that he should have taken that opportunity to launch off on an introspective tangent on his own performance as a safety?
    He should have said something like "I'm very excited about our new scheme this year. I believe it will give me and others an opportunity to take advantage of our individual talents and give opposing offenses new challenges. I am working hard to improve my tackling and other aspects of my game, and I expect a great season."

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    Quote Originally Posted by MileHighRaider View Post
    He should have said something like "I'm very excited about our new scheme this year. I believe it will give me and others an opportunity to take advantage of our individual talents and give opposing offenses new challenges. I am working hard to improve my tackling and other aspects of my game, and I expect a great season."

    Done.
    Word, all he did was put a large target on his back when he started running his mouth. It's time to put up or shut up Mr. Huff. You reap what you sow.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MileHighRaider View Post
    If you did indeed read the whole thread, you would then know I do not HATE Huff but rather am hoping he performs up to the level of a top 10 draft choice that he was.

    I and some others find his comments disrespectful on one hand (there was no need to drag Mr Davis into the conversation; he could have made his point with more class) and on the other hand he fails to own up to his own failures as contributing factors to the challenges this defense has had.

    Yes I'm disappointed in his comments but it's not hate.
    He could've just said what the defense was and what it will be and we would've known what and who he was talking about. We know the schemes were ancient but we also know opportunities were there and they were missed. Whatever, it's put up or shut up for him and the rest. The old scheme can't be blamed anymore.

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    Didn't read this whole thread, so I'm going to stay neutral. Huff was a weapon at Texas and we made the mistake of drafting him and using him in a way that doesn't fit his strong suit. I see a lot of posters cite his missed tackles, but he has improved dramatically in this area over the past two seasons. When posters say he is out of position too often (didn't see anyone say this specifically, just know this is a common criticism), I can't say I necessarily buy it because a) it is hard to tell who actually missed their assignment and b) Huff was always given a very difficult task in playing strictly single high safety. Say what you want about Hue, one of the things I liked most about him is that he found a way to use his offensive weapons most effectively (except Boss). If we did the same on defense, I think we have the talent right now to be at least top 15-20 defense.

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    It's put up or shut up time anyway, Routt and Wimbley being shown the door served that notice.

    People getting too butt hurt over a few words IMO, all i used to read on here was that we had an old scheme and a losing culture, now a player says a few words about it and some fans go ape sh!t.

    You can make the argument that he could have worded his comments different, but i personally didn't get a disrespectful vibe from it.

    Huff gave the ball he intercepted in the Texans game to the Davis family, and has Tweeted his love for Al and the Raider Nation before, he doesn't come off as a rude disrespectful guy at all.
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    If Huff blows up in the new system, will those bashing Huff's comments come back and bash Al for wasting the first 5 years of his career in that dopey outdated scheme?

    I doubt it.
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    With the system the Raiders were running previously, we needed experience coordinator.. Problem was, we never hired a coordinator that knew how to run a modern day 4-3 difference. I did find it kind of odd that the late Mr. Davis was seeking 3-4 DC coordinators last year (look at some of the names linked to Oakland), yet similar to nearly every other year, we had to settle for the third of fourth option. System that was previous ran required a very strong coaching staff, especially a top level DB and DL coach; DC needed to have knowledge of how to manilpulate the offense in what formation the Raiders were running. That is, we are really running man, but it appears to be zone and vice versa. Like previously stated, with loose cannons as your DC and sub par supporting staff the weakness was exposed.

    This year, there will be a culture shock with just some of the things we will probably run. Remember, Tarver is a student of both Nolan and Singletary. At some point Oakland will switch to a pure 3-4 in the future.

    I think the D is much better than what it played last year.

    For Huff's mouth, i hope he is able to to make some of these plays.. If not, Reggie will have no sympathy when he either trades him or cuts him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kinz View Post
    An answer like ... We all know the defense last year wasn't good enough. Part of it was scheme, but also the players could have played better. I know I could have played better, and really think this year we will turn things around.

    I have yet to see anyone on the defense take personal accountability for absolutely putrid play on defense. If Seymour was a leader, he would do it. He has nothing to lose, and his personal fouls and complete disappearance at times were horrid. Kelly could do it too.
    This^ X 10.

    That was the sorriest bunch of no account clowns to ever suit up as Raider defenders--and that's saying something because this defense has been awful for the better part of the last 25 years. If Huff, Seymour, and the rest were all sh!tcanned today it would be good riddance AFAIC. Sadly, the only guys that might be worth keeping would be backups on other teams (Giordano and Curry). At least those guys played like they gave a damn.
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