Huff looking forward to "real" defense w/out Al Davis calling it.

[SLVR&BLK]

Discipline among the coaches and ownership certainly was lacking at times. But you miss my point again. There are great players playing for lousy coaches and ownership all the time. Yet they hold themselves personally accountable for their own performance. Should the coaches and owner do the same? Absolutely.

To say all my crappy play was due to the scheme we were running is simply asinine though.

It starts with taking care of your business. STFU and get it done.

If you can't comprehend that concept then I wish you luck, sir/madam.

Yes, but Al never stressed discipline, then he hires Bresnahan who hadn't worked in the NFL in 3 years to come in and be another "yes man" DC, and we seen the results last year with a free lancing, un organized crappy defense.

Fast forward to now, a GM and coach that will stress accountability and be on the same page, some young defensive minds to install a modern scheme, i don't think it's crazy to expect better results with a lot of the same players.

[MileHighRaider]

Yes, but Al never stressed discipline, then he hires Bresnahan who hadn't worked in the NFL in 3 years to come in and be another "yes man" DC, and we seen the results last year with a free lancing, un organized crappy defense.

Fast forward to now, a GM and coach that will stress accountability and be on the same page, some young defensive minds to install a modern scheme, i don't think it's crazy to expect better results with a lot of the same players.

That avoids the question at hand though: how can Huff blame his ****ty play over the extent of his career on owner, coaches or scheme? None of those caused him to commit penalties or miss tackles.

Yes I'm a broken record because people don't get it or choose conveniently to avoid the fundamental question of personal responsibility.

If *I* had the amazing opportunity to play in the NFL, good team or bad, outstanding mentors or buffoons, there is one thing I would take care of at all times: my personal performance. If I make mistakes, which I would, I own them. I learn from them and I admit them. And under ZERO conditions do I ever blame my failure to perform on the coach, scheme or ownership. EVER.

Maybe that's just me??

[SLVR&BLK]

That avoids the question at hand though: how can Huff blame his ****ty play over the extent of his career on owner, coaches or scheme? None of those caused him to commit penalties or miss tackles.

Yes I'm a broken record because people don't get it or choose conveniently to avoid the fundamental question of personal responsibility.

If *I* had the amazing opportunity to play in the NFL, good team or bad, outstanding mentors or buffoons, there is one thing I would take care of at all times: my personal performance. If I make mistakes, which I would, I own them. I learn from them and I admit them. And under ZERO conditions do I ever blame my failure to perform on the coach, scheme or ownership. EVER.

Maybe that's just me??

It would be great if all our players came in and took personal accountability seriously, but we know that's not gone happen with everybody, putting some fear into these guys that have been screwing up is a good thing, moving forward we need a culture change, a change to smart disciplined football.

[MileHighRaider]

It would be great if all our players came in and took personal accountability seriously, but we know that's not gone happen with everybody, putting some fear into these guys that have been screwing up is a good thing, moving forward we need a culture change, a change to smart disciplined football.

Yeah I hear you but picture this: if our leaders (do we have any out there???) took personal accountability, wouldn't some of our younger guys catch on and do the same? And if more did, wouldn't even more get it? And suddenly you have a few who completely don't get it or are flat out selfish and lazy. And you weed them out.

An avalanch can start with a single pebble.

But you have to be that pebble. Be the pebble Michael.

[MadBomber24]

Hear what you're sayin.

I guess playing to our strengths, to avoid offsides we'd line up the DL/DEs ten yards behind the LoS!

Lol, I'm not one who has argued with you about the players. I agree with what your saying about the players being responsible for their poor play.

As for the penalties that was also because of the front office and what Al created as far as the culture of the organization. Players had no reason to change (outside of their own will to do so) because what they were doing was not only allowed it was often encouraged by the head man. So while I agree the players should take responsibility for those stupid penalties (offsides, etc) the reality is that people adhere to the culture around them, regardless of what kind of person/ player they were before they got here. That is something that falls squarely on Al and the type of team he wanted.

[MileHighRaider]

Lol, I'm not one who has argued with you about the players. I agree with what your saying about the players being responsible for their poor play.

As for the penalties that was also because of the front office and what Al created as far as the culture of the organization. Players had no reason to change (outside of their own will to do so) because what they were doing was not only allowed it was often encouraged by the head man. So while I agree the players should take responsibility for those stupid penalties (offsides, etc) the reality is that people adhere to the culture around them, regardless of what kind of person/ player they were before they got here. That is something that falls squarely on Al and the type of team he wanted.

I'm probably naive here but in my world I don't care about the culture around me. I try just as hard all the time. If I f--k up, I'll admit it and try to fix it. I don't blame others and I don't throw dead guys under the bus. But that's just me.

[madstork]

I'm probably naive here but in my world I don't care about the culture around me. I try just as hard all the time. If I f--k up, I'll admit it and try to fix it. I don't blame others and I don't throw dead guys under the bus. But that's just me.

I don't think Huff should have said what he said, but I do think what he said was essentially true.

[MadBomber24]

I'm probably naive here but in my world I don't care about the culture around me. I try just as hard all the time. If I f--k up, I'll admit it and try to fix it. I don't blame others and I don't throw dead guys under the bus. But that's just me.

I don't disagree with you but that's not how most people are esspecially in a group "family" type setting like an NFL team. You follow the head guy or you don't get paid. Unfortunately it's just not a realistic expectation to think players can or will change that type of thing when everything and everyone around them says those actions are ok.

[raidertone]

I'm probably naive here but in my world I don't care about the culture around me. I try just as hard all the time. If I f--k up, I'll admit it and try to fix it. I don't blame others and I don't throw dead guys under the bus. But that's just me.

But you are also not a 23 year old millionaire who was coddled his whole life for playing a childs game. These young guys nowadays come in with such a sense of entitlement it's sickening. These guys don't live in the REAL world like you and I...But it is what it is...that's why strong ownership/coaching/disclipline is required...something our team has lacked for quite some time.

[MileHighRaider]

I don't disagree with you but that's not how most people are esspecially in a group "family" type setting like an NFL team. You follow the head guy or you don't get paid. Unfortunately it's just not a realistic expectation to think players can or will change that type of thing when everything and everyone around them says those actions are ok.

I think it's a realistic expectation. Whether those expectations are met is the question.



IMHO the whole family does it so you should do it (or choose to) smells too much like lazy sh-t that has caused problems throughout history including notable ones in the 30s and 40s starting in Europe and festering worldwide. Dramatic? Yes. But I guess I live by unrealistic expectations of pride, honor, and commitment in everything you do.

Sorry ... rambling a bit. (edit) Maybe being a pebble? (/edit)

[als_shadow]

You can honestly say this with a straight face? Have you ever watched a Raiders game?



I'm a fan of the Raiders, who, IMHO, are and have consistently been over the last decade the worst tackling team in the league. Not even close.

And tackling is just one of our problems.


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Week after week, season after season we complained about the big plays caused by whiffed tackles in key situations.

Then, when it's time to be accountable, many fans blamed AL's scheme and Bresnahan's defense and the poor, biased officiating. Well OK, I'll give you the poor, biased officiating was a factor, but other teams usually stopped our chances for big plays by tackling our guy the first chance they had, while our guys whiffed a very high percentage once guys were several yards behind the original LOS.

Why are we amongst the few who get it?

Exchange our defensive starters with the Patriots and make them run AL's defense. Tell me the guys we get from the Patriots would miss as many tackles as the guys we sent away.... I don't believe it, and I bet 31 other GMs would agree with me.

[MileHighRaider]

Week after week, season after season we complained about the big plays caused by whiffed tackles in key situations.

Then, when it's time to be accountable, many fans blamed AL's scheme and Bresnahan's defense and the poor, biased officiating. Well OK, I'll give you the poor, biased officiating was a factor, but other teams usually stopped our chances for big plays by tackling our guy the first chance they had, while our guys whiffed a very high percentage once guys were several yards behind the original LOS.

Why are we amongst the few who get it?

Exchange our defensive starters with the Patriots and make them run AL's defense. Tell me the guys we get from the Patriots would miss as many tackles as the guys we sent away.... I don't believe it, and I bet 31 other GMs would agree with me.

[Kalifas510]

the stats from last year are bs cause huff was hurt. That was the first time in his career he was hurt. Now you can argue that Giordano had 5 ints which is 2 more than huff has ever had in a year. however, tackles etc... Huff only played 12 games and a few of those hurt. in addition in 2010 Huff had 94 tackes, 4 sacks and 3 ints which was a very solid year.

As for running his mouth, Huff is just stating in a respectful way what we all knew. He did resign here so it's not like he dissed Al. Also huff tends to play the deep safety in our old outdated scheme. Tough to make tackles from 40 yards off the scrimmage!

Hard to make, easy to miss cause he sure does miss a lot....LOL

[sil&blk]

I hear what your saying but scheme is very important. Just like in basketball if your put into situations or spots on the field that don't suit your personal abilities it easier to fail and play sloppy. Huff did not have a good season last year.. yes. He ass quite hurt a lot and was barely ever healthy. He was literally limping against the texans when he gave up a bomb.

We can all agree that we haunt seen the ceiling in Huff play.. If anything he has under achieved. New Culture New defense calls. New attitude. These are all human beings who are not robots. The most important factor in competitive sports is having the mindset to achieve. Difference between MJ and Lebron. Hopefully this change will help boost everyone's belief in there coaches and the play calls. That defense last year was historically bad for our organization & that by its self out weighs any individual single play.

Huff didn't say this to sound selfish so stop trying single out Huff. He spoke up for something that people always wanted admitted.

Week after week, season after season we complained about the big plays caused by whiffed tackles in key situations.

Then, when it's time to be accountable, many fans blamed AL's scheme and Bresnahan's defense and the poor, biased officiating. Well OK, I'll give you the poor, biased officiating was a factor, but other teams usually stopped our chances for big plays by tackling our guy the first chance they had, while our guys whiffed a very high percentage once guys were several yards behind the original LOS.

Why are we amongst the few who get it?

Exchange our defensive starters with the Patriots and make them run AL's defense. Tell me the guys we get from the Patriots would miss as many tackles as the guys we sent away.... I don't believe it, and I bet 31 other GMs would agree with me.

[als_shadow]

Huff didn't say this to sound selfish so stop trying single out Huff. He spoke up for something that people always wanted admitted.

There's a right way to say things and a wrong way to say things... and there are people who are in a position to say things and there are people who aren't in a position to say things.

Huff had a medicre season last year and didn't even play the last 2 games when one more win would have put us in the playoffs. Also, Huff was one of the beneficiaries of one of AL's huge contracts.

Nobody cares what Huff thinks about who ran the d and how it was run. Huff is "on the bubble" most surely with our new GM, HC and DC. Blaming AL for his poor play, no matter how innocently intentioned it might have been, is a ticket out of town if he doesn't get his act together quickly.

There's only one guy on the defense who's qualified to complain -- Richard "3 Super Bowl rings" Seymour. Yet, he hasn't said a bad word about AL or Bresnahan.

Huff did sound selfish and he deserves the criticism that he has been getting on this board. Next you'll be telling me we should bring back Cable because he was popular with our players and got us to 8-8.