Palmer Studied Bill Walsh- West Coast Offense During Off-Season

[Da Swami]

I make too much money in my profession to take a paycut, become a P.E. teacher and volunteer as a HS football coach

so the answer is no. retirement, i rather be out there active, than sitting on these forums in my late 50's early 60's, getting fat.

That is understandable.

[NoClapsPlease]

The principles are very similar and so is most of the terminology.

The differences are so minor that it won't matter.

The players are better IMO and with our O line, we don't need to move the pocket as much making misdirections, counters, bootlegs, etc, even more effective.

All CP will have to do is get the ball to his receivers hands.

Garcia had to do so much more and his athletic ability and improvising are why it succeeded. TO didn't hurt either but that team was not that talented.

Our situation is much better IMO.

i'm sure the principles are similar since knapp learned the philosophy in SF

however, he still had marriuci there to lead him in the right direction

this time around, like last time he was here, he has nobody above him that knows his job better than him, so we have to rely solely on his expertise

thats what i dont like

thats why i think we will struggle, the roles have been flipped. This time we have an HC who's an expert in the scheme he is deploying and hired a DC who understands his philosophy, that DC will always have a more experienced guy in the higher position to refer to

knapp on the other hand, is the resident "expert" here, its no wonder he's excited, he's free to do whatever he wants, who's going to intervene? nobody knows his terrible offense but him. We got saunders here, but I have yet to fully understand what role he's going to play when we left his very effective offensive philosophy.

[Da Swami]

i'm sure the principles are similar since knapp learned the philosophy in SF

however, he still had marriuci there to lead him in the right direction

this time around, like last time he was here, he has nobody above him that knows his job better than him, so we have to rely solely on his expertise

thats what i dont like

thats why i think we will struggle, the roles have been flipped. This time we have an HC who's an expert in the scheme he is deploying and hired a DC who understands his philosophy, that DC will always have a more experienced guy in the higher position to refer to

knapp on the other hand, is the resident "expert" here, its no wonder he's excited, he's free to do whatever he wants, who's going to intervene? nobody knows his terrible offense but him. We got saunders here, but I have yet to fully understand what role he's going to play when we left his very effective offensive philosophy.

That's what you're going with?

[NoClapsPlease]

That's what you're going with?

give me a solid reason why you think we are going to be world beaters

the only bright spots i see right now is our receiving corp, but i have no confidence in this offense

furthermore, our cornerbacks are not very good

now i'm sure you know that the only way to get away with mediocre secondary play is to have formidable pressure up front, to disrupt timing and not allow routes to develop

we lost our premier pass rusher, and seymour is not the playmaker he's being paid to be

mcclain may see the field since we can all be confident the legal process will be extremely slow as he appeals and i dont expect a suspension from goodell until mcclain is actually proven to be guilty of a crime.

we're hurting, the homer goggles are off

its going to take a couple years for this new house to settle in.

at best, we have a strong start, then fizzle out, ala buffalo bills

[what22]

i'm sure the principles are similar since knapp learned the philosophy in SF

however, he still had marriuci there to lead him in the right direction

this time around, like last time he was here, he has nobody above him that knows his job better than him, so we have to rely solely on his expertise

thats what i dont like

thats why i think we will struggle, the roles have been flipped. This time we have an HC who's an expert in the scheme he is deploying and hired a DC who understands his philosophy, that DC will always have a more experienced guy in the higher position to refer to

knapp on the other hand, is the resident "expert" here, its no wonder he's excited, he's free to do whatever he wants, who's going to intervene? nobody knows his terrible offense but him. We got saunders here, but I have yet to fully understand what role he's going to play when we left his very effective offensive philosophy.

He has Al Saunders who will be in charge of breaking down film to help game plan for the other team. He will be there to help and aid knapp when/if he is doing something wrong

[prolific]

NoClaps is still upset over the fact that Jason Campbell isn't under center.

Can't argue with everything he's saying, but I'm definitely looking at 8-10 wins (anything less would be a disappointment in my eyes); I think Palmer will surprise a lot of people under Knapp - oh, and McFadden is back at 100%, that can't hurt.

Just my .02, for what it's worth.

[Swoosh23]

well so far Saunders seems to be active in the otas on the field with the offence, so lets take that as a positive sign and hope that he remains very involved with coaching and decisions in game planning and everything.

[Okie]

Most times when a guy succeeds its because he gets in to the right situation.

Would Joe Montana be the same legend had he been taken by Detroit or NO?

Would Jerry Rice put up the numbers had he played for the Jets?

I don't agree with your claim CP makes questionable decisions. Many times a QB will force a ball somewhere knowing he is chancing it and he does it simply because other elements of a balanced and efficient attack are missing. This kind of situation creates a high risk high reward guy and if you look at his TD/INT ratio you will see this is true. Many QB's will stare down the WR and glance at the S knowing he is going to make a play for the ball.

They throw it anyway because they don't have any other options.

That can be remedied by putting him in 3rd and 1 and 2nd and 4 type situations that get him coverages he can exploit with the speed we have.

Thats what made him successful at USC.

The more back 7 or back 8 defenders we get them to commit to the LOS, the better coverages he will get to throw against.

Cover 1 is a nightmare for a FS against teams that have speed everywhere.

Dude, throwing into double coverage is a bad decision, you cannot excuse that. Just because the guy succeeds at it 1 of 4 times you guys wanna forget the other 3 and more importantly how negatively that affects out outcome.

Our running game is the strength of this team
DMAC is the best player on our team

Any decision that limits the number of times that guy can touch the ball is a BAD decision. The sooner Carson realizes that and takes that page from Campbell's notebook, the sooner we will start winning more games!

[Janus]

I think it is hilarious watching people throw Knapp under the bus for two seasons he spent here working with the worst draft pick in Oakland Raiders history at Quarterback.

Take a deep breath and see how it pans out. I like the WCO. I like our new additions. I still believe this team is going to win the West and make experts look foolish for ranking them at the bottom of the league.

[Da Swami]

give me a solid reason why you think we are going to be world beaters

the only bright spots i see right now is our receiving corp, but i have no confidence in this offense

furthermore, our cornerbacks are not very good

now i'm sure you know that the only way to get away with mediocre secondary play is to have formidable pressure up front, to disrupt timing and not allow routes to develop

we lost our premier pass rusher, and seymour is not the playmaker he's being paid to be

mcclain may see the field since we can all be confident the legal process will be extremely slow as he appeals and i dont expect a suspension from goodell until mcclain is actually proven to be guilty of a crime.

we're hurting, the homer goggles are off

its going to take a couple years for this new house to settle in.

at best, we have a strong start, then fizzle out, ala buffalo bills

World beaters?

The division was full of .500 teams so we don't have to be WORLD BEATERS.

Next, how do you know our CB's not very good when we haven't seen them play?

Larry Fitz says otherwise of Bartell and Spencer is no worse than that bum we released.

Next, our best pass rusher was a LB who was way more of a liability playing outside than he was an asset.

My angle is simple, despite the problems we had last year, our offense had us in a position to win 3 more games but the D couldnt hold up.

I see no valid reason to think that either will be worse.

I also see no valid reason that our opponents wont have the same problems.

I knew you didn't have much.

Also, your fears about our offense are based on what?

[Da Swami]

Dude, throwing into double coverage is a bad decision, you cannot excuse that. Just because the guy succeeds at it 1 of 4 times you guys wanna forget the other 3 and more importantly how negatively that affects out outcome.

Our running game is the strength of this team
DMAC is the best player on our team

Any decision that limits the number of times that guy can touch the ball is a BAD decision. The sooner Carson realizes that and takes that page from Campbell's notebook, the sooner we will start winning more games!

The term BAD is relative is it not?

It can only be a bad decision if the QB had other options right? What you are describing is nothing different than what Favre did for years. This usually happens when a guy does not have options and tries to force the ball. The WCO gives a QB more options in his progression does it not? With our running game this point is moot anyway.

I am very aware of how INTs effect outcome but INT's like this are indicative of problems we don't have right now so why they are being made an issue is beyond me.

Qbs only do stuff like that when faced with long yardage downs.

To say it is a bad decision implies he had other options and made the WRONG choice.

Did my point fly over your head?

The last sentence you made is ultra obvious and maybe we should awit until Palmer actually plays with D Mac before giving him advice like that.

Somehow, I doubt CP needs you to tell him that.

[NoClapsPlease]

World beaters?

The division was full of .500 teams so we don't have to be WORLD BEATERS.

Next, how do you know our CB's not very good when we haven't seen them play?

Larry Fitz says otherwise of Bartell and Spencer is no worse than that bum we released.

Next, our best pass rusher was a LB who was way more of a liability playing outside than he was an asset.

My angle is simple, despite the problems we had last year, our offense had us in a position to win 3 more games but the D couldnt hold up.

I see no valid reason to think that either will be worse.

I also see no valid reason that our opponents wont have the same problems.

I knew you didn't have much.

Also, your fears about our offense are based on what?

we have no playmakers on defense.

bartell and spencer are solid corners, but neither are better than routt, you've got to be kidding me

our front line looks weak IMO, is shaunnessy going to fill the premiere pass rusher void?

we need playmakers and also, to win games, your defense has to put points on the board also, I'm not going to trip over yards and PPG too much, i rather our defense score 9 TD's over a course of the season and force more turnovers

right now, i dont feel like we have those types of players. bartel plays like a poor man's asomugha if u look closer at what he does

spencer, i dont know much about him

right now i'm extremely worried, as i should be

as far as the offense, I have no reason to believe palmer will be effective in WCO

if i'm wrong, GREAT, but i'm not holding my breath at all, I just dont see it working out

we were 7-4 last year because we protected the ball and kept that awful defense off the field

after that, we had a whole new myriad of issues that go a bit deeper than the defense after further review of the games.

the combination of palmers turnovers

bush's poor blitz pickups

the dynamic of runnin towards the perimeter with DMC and jones out

and last but not least, playing cover-2 concepts almost exclusively after Al passed.

WE WILL STRUGGLE IN 2012, i expect it, i'm thinking 6 wins with a promising 2013 campaign

am i so wrong for that? winning 2 less games than the past 2 seasons ?

[LINQ]

i'm sure the principles are similar since knapp learned the philosophy in SF

however, he still had marriuci there to lead him in the right direction

this time around, like last time he was here, he has nobody above him that knows his job better than him, so we have to rely solely on his expertise

thats what i dont like

I'm not real high on Knapp either. However we did retain Saunders, and I think it's not just for the sake of continuity, but as a "safety net."

The one thing I do like about Knapp is the fact he's great at working with QBs, and should help cut down on Palmer's bonehead throws.

If Palmer can significantly reduce his mistakes, he'll be deadly to defenses. If he keeps throwing picks, we're in for a long season.

[JoeKiev]

knapp on the other hand, is the resident "expert" here, its no wonder he's excited, he's free to do whatever he wants, who's going to intervene? nobody knows his terrible offense but him. We got saunders here, but I have yet to fully understand what role he's going to play when we left his very effective offensive philosophy.

I mentioned this before and I believe it is worth mentioning once again. When Knapp was here, Jamarcus Russell was the QB.

Knapp gets a pass for every single play he called while Jamarcus was under center.

Russell was simply too dumb to understand anything scheme related. I am sure you would agree.

I remember one time, they showed a camera view from behing Jruss's big backside. I remember seeing a wideout getting ready to make a break towards the sideline. I thought to myself, "man, I can make that read and I only see about 10% of the field!" Jamarcus of course, missed the read and ended up getting sacked if I recall correctly. lol.

Yes, Jruss ruined many carreers, including his own. It is a miracle Knapp survived! lol.

[Da Swami]

I want to elaborate on what I meant when it appeared I was rationalizing bad decisions such as throwing in to double coverage.

The biggest culprits are the ones with the strongest arms.

The weaker arm QBs make better decisions because they lack confidence in their arm strength. This has always been a curse for strong armed QBs but usually it only happens to the good ones when they are forced to press. Many other times it comes off of a coverage that was disguised and the QB didn't realize it until he threw it. Thats good defense and its part of the game.

Phillip Rivers threw in to lots of double coverage last year and it hurt him. Many of them were trap coverages that allowed a CB to jump the route. That happens when defenses dictate it and its a luxury reserved for teams who can afford to sacrifice a man in the numbers match ups.

The scheme we are going to relies on higher percentage passes so if we run the ball effectively and keep CP out of predictable passing situations, this should not be an issue.