Palmer Studied Bill Walsh- West Coast Offense During Off-Season

[Mr Terrific]

9 page thread and nobody has mentioned campbell or russell, but we got the same 2 usual suspects coming in to instigate all while offering virtually nothing to the conversation at hand

the ignore list is lovely, its too bad i have to see your quoted posts, bc then i wouldnt know you existed at all.

Campbell is a Bear and Russell is a human garbage disposal

[Mr Terrific]

As for Palmer, I have high hopes for him. I always look through the glass with it being half full, instead of half empty. Palmer is the best QB we had since Rich Gannon. I really like his attitude in the off season, up beat, hard working, and being a leader for the kids on this team to help mold , even for Leinart and Pryor.

It's pretty assinine to judge Palmer, being thrown to the wolves a few days later coming off the couch, with no training camp, and without an all world RB in Mcfadden to take the pressure off him to ease him in. I have been actually optomistic about this up and coming season, can't say I have had in years.

[NoClapsPlease]

And i could have won state in 1996 if not for that little hispanic guy, does that mean that my 34 year old, fatass should automatically qualify to run the mile at state this year? No, what Carson did 7 years ago means squat to this year. Just as how poorly hes played last year or 4 or 5 of the years before that mean squat! The bottom line is that hoping he plays as well he did in 3 of his 8 year career or expecting him to make bad decisions like hes done for the majority of his career is nothing more than speculation. Both sides are just as right as the other side is wrong because the bottom line is none of us know **** about the future!

Come September10th at 9:15 pm we will start to have a pretty damn good idea and by December 30th one side of the debate will have a stronger leg to stand on than the other. Until then, heres to hoping the illogical crowd is correct and the logical folks are wrong! I dont know what you guys are worried about anyway, we have Newhall-Caballero now...........we set! :p

its sad it even has to come down to that

i think the attempts to bring in 2 passers with vertical system skill sets who ALSO do not fit a WCO, are just to "dumb down" the conversation to allow themselves in, bc you know, actually talking about the offensive philosophy is beyond their football knowledge.

we know russell isnt competent enough to run it, campbell has failed in WCO concepts also, and theres no reason for me to think palmer will succeed in it either

these are all vertical system guys, through and through.

[Okie]

Yes, those who think it'd be a good idea for our quarterback to not be anything like Jason Campbell are the illogical crowd. I mean, I often find myself hoping we bring in a QB who can fulfill the promise of Billy Volek, so I can totally understand where you're coming from.

First of all, logical and illogical were the wrong words. A better word would have been realistic and optimistic.

Those optimists (some are actually unrealistic though) see the good things Palmers done in his career, see the good passes he makes and focus in on those things. Many of these posters ignore the reality of Carsons own history or tenancies and chose to base their opinion on the good and ignore the rest. Palmer has had some real flashes of greatness, particularly 2005, 2006 and even in 2009.

Those realists (some are purely pessimists though) chose not to focus on the good and look at the whole picture. If you look at it unbias, the statistics, the history, the records do not leave alot to be optimistic about. The guy was drafted #1 overall and been in the league for 8 years. In 5 of those 8 years the guy has put up average to below average performances. His play did not elevate his teams, the bad decisions constantly hurt his teams. Many of the optimists around here chose to write off 2011 as due to the situation he was thrown into but for those looking at the big picture, 2011 looked like the majority of his career. Even years where he had training camps, better players around him and consistency.

You know my stance. I am optimistic about our future with Palmer and i acknowledge the potential there. The only difference between myself and some here is that while my opinion is optimistic, i am very realistic about who we are and more importantly who Carson has been and how he has played. Im optimistic about it but i dont expect it because that would be expecting the exception instead of the rule. The Campbell **** gets old, you guys using it like its a knock or something. Its all but a certainty that had Carson Palmer played more like Campbell, even with a bad defense, questionable coaching and injuries, this team STILL would have made the playoffs. I dont want Jason back, i want Carson as our QB but the FACT is that running the ball and taking better care of the football is the key to this team winning and losing. That has been the key to winning in our last two years and ironically, that has been the key to winning in Carsons entire career. Get away from the run, make poor decisions and both the Raiders and Carson have very bad win loss records.

My bottom line is that i am excited and optimistic about Carson next year, i just wont be shocked or looking for excuses if he reverts to form. Thats why im excited about the transition to the WCO. I personally dont think Palmers a fit but the bottom line is that he has a piss poor record and has been a highly inconsistent underachiever in the system every think fits him so why not change. Maybe the WCO is exactly what Carson needs, maybe the WCO is the missing piece holding him and this team back.

[Da Swami]

its sad it even has to come down to that

i think the attempts to bring in 2 passers with vertical system skill sets who ALSO do not fit a WCO, are just to "dumb down" the conversation to allow themselves in, bc you know, actually talking about the offensive philosophy is beyond their football knowledge.

we know russell isnt competent enough to run it, campbell has failed in WCO concepts also, and theres no reason for me to think palmer will succeed in it either

these are all vertical system guys, through and through.

Your claims amuse me.

You clearly do not understand the WCO in its present form.

[Bandito]

Had fun reading this. Knapp-fluffers...good lord.

[JoeKiev]

Had fun reading this. Knapp-fluffers...good lord.

Translation:

"This is what you get for messing with my boi Terrelle! He's gonna be the greatest eva! He completes me!"


lol!

[NoClapsPlease]

I pretty much shut this thread down. But ill admit I was wrong about weeden.

[bleed4raiders]

I pretty much shut this thread down. But ill admit I was wrong about weeden.

if the football gods finally show us some love and Terrelle Pryor wins the starting job watch what thread I bring back up

[JoeKiev]

if the football gods finally show us some love and notTerrelle Pryor wins the starting job watch what thread I bring back up

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[bleed4raiders]

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Whatever that's suppose to mean

[JoeKiev]

Whatever that's suppose to mean

Just messin' with you bro.

[Bandito]

I find it funny that NoClaps is right 80%+ of the time, yet gets so much flack on here. Those of you who argue with everything he says and poke fun at him must have an inferiority complex. He's been schooling you for years.

Guy is a true, great, knowledgable Raiders and football fan and some of you could learn some things if you weren't so insistent on trying to prove him wrong or make him look bad. I'm not sure how he keeps his cool and keeps dealing with yall, but it's commendable.

[heavyD]

Wow! You mean Pryor isn't the only QB in the league that puts in extra time into his craft?

[heavyD]

I find it funny that NoClaps is right 80%+ of the time, yet gets so much flack on here. Those of you who argue with everything he says and poke fun at him must have an inferiority complex. He's been schooling you for years.

Guy is a true, great, knowledgable Raiders and football fan and some of you could learn some things if you weren't so insistent on trying to prove him wrong or make him look bad. I'm not sure how he keeps his cool and keeps dealing with yall, but it's commendable.

Hey NoClaps. You know you didn't have to start a 2nd account to pat yourself on the back. We all know that you relish your role as the contrary voice on all things Raiders.