Palmer Studied Bill Walsh- West Coast Offense During Off-Season

[Da Swami]

I'm not real high on Knapp either. However we did retain Saunders, and I think it's not just for the sake of continuity, but as a "safety net."

The one thing I do like about Knapp is the fact he's great at working with QBs, and should help cut down on Palmer's bonehead throws.

If Palmer can significantly reduce his mistakes, he'll be deadly to defenses. If he keeps throwing picks, we're in for a long season.

That will depend on the command he has over his play book.

The same for the dumb throws.

Dumb throws are the norm when a guy presses and a better team effort keeps a QB out of those situations.

[NoClapsPlease]

I'm not real high on Knapp either. However we did retain Saunders, and I think it's not just for the sake of continuity, but as a "safety net."

The one thing I do like about Knapp is the fact he's great at working with QBs, and should help cut down on Palmer's bonehead throws.

If Palmer can significantly reduce his mistakes, he'll be deadly to defenses. If he keeps throwing picks, we're in for a long season.

I agree

he is good at working with QB's

I just dont want to see super predictable playcalling

[NoClapsPlease]

I want to elaborate on what I meant when it appeared I was rationalizing bad decisions such as throwing in to double coverage.

The biggest culprits are the ones with the strongest arms.

The weaker arm QBs make better decisions because they lack confidence in their arm strength. This has always been a curse for strong armed QBs but usually it only happens to the good ones when they are forced to press. Many other times it comes off of a coverage that was disguised and the QB didn't realize it until he threw it. Thats good defense and its part of the game.

Phillip Rivers threw in to lots of double coverage last year and it hurt him. Many of them were trap coverages that allowed a CB to jump the route. That happens when defenses dictate it and its a luxury reserved for teams who can afford to sacrifice a man in the numbers match ups.

The scheme we are going to relies on higher percentage passes so if we run the ball effectively and keep CP out of predictable passing situations, this should not be an issue.

heres my theory swami

CP's arm strength is not the same as it was before his injuries. his passes are not on a tight rope like before.

his mind still makes the decisions he made when he made those crazy passes on a rope

but now after the injury, his arm strength is NOT the same, those passes are getting to those spots a split second later and now they are getting picked off

it only makes sense

he has to face the music and realize he cant make those types of throws anymore.

so in respect to the point you're trying to make, if the knapp works to facilitate palmer's situation in the offense a bit better, i'm all for it

[ballin12]

heres my theory swami

CP's arm strength is not the same as it was before his injuries. his passes are not on a tight rope like before.

his mind still makes the decisions he made when he made those crazy passes on a rope

but now after the injury, his arm strength is NOT the same, those passes are getting to those spots a split second later and now they are getting picked off

it only makes sense

he has to face the music and realize he cant make those types of throws anymore.

so in respect to the point you're trying to make, if the knapp works to facilitate palmer's situation in the offense a bit better, i'm all for it

His arm looked fine to me? Multiple analysts have mentioned his arm is doing fine and his passes are sharp.

Enough with the criticism man. Those picks he threw last season were mainly due to a lack of chemistry.

[regret]

How did I know I'd click on page 9 of a Carson Palmer thread only to see the usual suspects advising Palmer to be more like Jason Campbell? It is kind of breathtaking, really.

I don't know about you guys but I'd like Palmer to be more like Tom Brady or Peyton Manning.

[LINQ]

I agree

he is good at working with QB's

I just dont want to see super predictable playcalling

You and me both man. I kind of wish Knapp was QBs and Saunders was OC, but it is what it is. We just gotta hope for the best.

[Da Swami]

heres my theory swami

CP's arm strength is not the same as it was before his injuries. his passes are not on a tight rope like before.

his mind still makes the decisions he made when he made those crazy passes on a rope

but now after the injury, his arm strength is NOT the same, those passes are getting to those spots a split second later and now they are getting picked off

it only makes sense

he has to face the music and realize he cant make those types of throws anymore.

so in respect to the point you're trying to make, if the knapp works to facilitate palmer's situation in the offense a bit better, i'm all for it

Huh?

Where is the evidence of that?

His INT's had nothing to do with arm strength and everything to do with one and two read progressions and a lack of command of the scheme.

What QB were you watching?

[JoeKiev]

How did I know I'd click on page 9 of a Carson Palmer thread only to see the usual suspects advising Palmer to be more like Jason Campbell? It is kind of breathtaking, really.

I don't know about you guys but I'd like Palmer to be more like Tom Brady or Peyton Manning.

Yeah, I kind of feel bad for the kid. He's had so many opportunities to get his guy under center and they all have let him down big time. Now he is stuck semi-rooting for the type of guy he absolutely did not want, and is now lowering himself enough to imagine that the guy under center looks like the guy who used to be under center last year. He wants Palmer to play like Campbell, to act like Campbell, etc. until the moment the first and second string QB's get hurt, so another acceptable QB can "lead the team". Every argument, every debate, every cheap shot, every desire to see the first string QB play poorly etc., is all centered around a selfish desire to fill an apparent void that cannot be filled. It is sad to witness quite frankly.

Last year at this time Clappy was the happiest poster on Raiderfans.net. Now, he is by far the most unhappy....


Hmmmm, what has changed again? lol.

[SLVR&BLK]

The bottom line with Knapp is he was targeted by McKenzie and Allen, they wanted him.
He may not work out, but i don't see any reason not to trust what the new regime is doing, they get paid millions of dollars to make these decisions and it will be their a** on the line if they don't get this team winning again.

And with Palmer, you may not like that we gave up high draft picks to get him, but from all reports he is working hard both physically and mentally to be a good QB for us and has been working closely with the young receivers to get in tune with them, that's all you can ask at this point.

I don't see why a Raider fan wouldn't get on board with this, unless you just like to complain about stuff for no reason.

[Da Swami]

The bottom line with Knapp is he was targeted by McKenzie and Allen, they wanted him.
He may not work out, but i don't see any reason not to trust what the new regime is doing, they get paid millions of dollars to make these decisions and it will be their a** on the line if they don't get this team winning again.

And with Palmer, you may not like that we gave up high draft picks to get him, but from all reports he is working hard both physically and mentally to be a good QB for us and has been working closely the young receivers to get in tune with them, that's all you can ask at this point.

I don't see why a Raider fan wouldn't get on board with this, unless you just like to complain about stuff for no reason.

Those claiming he has lost arm strength leading to INT's have no credibility with me.

The arm strength claim is made up to save face and it's getting old.

[Naphtali]

How did I know I'd click on page 9 of a Carson Palmer thread only to see the usual suspects advising Palmer to be more like Jason Campbell? It is kind of breathtaking, really.

I don't know about you guys but I'd like Palmer to be more like Tom Brady or Peyton Manning.

Its like people forget he could of been the mvp in 05 if not for Manning too

[Okie]

Its like people forget he could of been the mvp in 05 if not for Manning too

And i could have won state in 1996 if not for that little hispanic guy, does that mean that my 34 year old, fatass should automatically qualify to run the mile at state this year? No, what Carson did 7 years ago means squat to this year. Just as how poorly hes played last year or 4 or 5 of the years before that mean squat! The bottom line is that hoping he plays as well he did in 3 of his 8 year career or expecting him to make bad decisions like hes done for the majority of his career is nothing more than speculation. Both sides are just as right as the other side is wrong because the bottom line is none of us know **** about the future!

Come September10th at 9:15 pm we will start to have a pretty damn good idea and by December 30th one side of the debate will have a stronger leg to stand on than the other. Until then, heres to hoping the illogical crowd is correct and the logical folks are wrong! I dont know what you guys are worried about anyway, we have Newhall-Caballero now...........we set! :p

[regret]

Yes, those who think it'd be a good idea for our quarterback to not be anything like Jason Campbell are the illogical crowd. I mean, I often find myself hoping we bring in a QB who can fulfill the promise of Billy Volek, so I can totally understand where you're coming from.

[NoClapsPlease]

Huh?

Where is the evidence of that?

His INT's had nothing to do with arm strength and everything to do with one and two read progressions and a lack of command of the scheme.

What QB were you watching?

scheme?

its the same man

the verbiage is different, but dont kid yourself, he ran the same offense in cincy.

[NoClapsPlease]

9 page thread and nobody has mentioned campbell or russell, but we got the same 2 usual suspects coming in to instigate all while offering virtually nothing to the conversation at hand

the ignore list is lovely, its too bad i have to see your quoted posts, bc then i wouldnt know you existed at all.